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02-05-2010 , 02:03 AM

Tbini87

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seemed like all opponents had a clue. lots of shoving pre flop. what helps make our decision here? all opponents were pretty tight fwiw. what do you do here?

Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: t2620 M = 3.74
BB: t3035 M = 4.34
Hero (CO): t3100 M = 4.43
BTN: t4745 M = 6.78

Pre Flop: (t700) Hero is CO with 6

Hero raises to t3075 all in, 1 fold, SB calls t2395 all in, 1 fold

Flop: (t5690) 8

(2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t5690) 5

(2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t5690) 9

(2 players - 2 are all in)

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02-05-2010 , 02:05 AM

Tbini87

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so it looks like hide results doesn't hide the community cards. i should be banned for how many of these i mess up.

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02-05-2010 , 02:07 AM

smiteme

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shove imo...

I'm going with like A2s+, A8o+, 55ish+, and suited broadways

This would change based off of table dynamics, but this is where I'm at as a std

... and yeah, it'd be nice to have community cards hidden, but its a lot easier to not be results oriented with visible community cards than villains cards

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02-05-2010 , 02:11 AM

Tbini87

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i just never know in game. like it seems like you gotta shove, but i also hate risking it on the bbl like that. like when we get called we are usually behind.

how do table dynamics change this? would you fold this if there was a maniac in the blinds? what factors go into this decision in game that you look for? "even stacks, less than 10bb... suited A just gotta shove" type thing?

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02-05-2010 , 02:23 AM

smiteme

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basically what I perceive the opponents calling ranges to be... If they are tight, I shove that range all day, and maybe even open up to KQo and all pp's... If they are loose, I'll get rid of the bottom of my range.

Things might also change depending on how the bigstack directly to your left is playing... If he is super tight, I'd rather pass up on this spot and shove ~ATC in the upcoming sb.

I'd like input by better players here though, because I'm not sure of the shoving range I've given.

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02-06-2010 , 02:08 PM

Tbini87

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bump for any other opinions?

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02-06-2010 , 02:16 PM

michty6

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If you perceive your opponents to be tight, given stack setups I'm prolly not folding any Aces here, certainly not any suited Aces. A6s should be good.

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02-06-2010 , 02:31 PM

Kvaughan

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In general, unless I have rock solid reads that my opponents are regs, I'm shoving tighter than A6s. Probably like AJ, maybe ATs, 77 or 88+.

In fact, I'd much rather shove, say, suited connectors like JTs, T9s, etc. than A6s, because the likely calling range consists of a ton of better As.

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Originally Posted by smiteme

I think the range you gave is reasonable if you know your opponents are regs, but very unreasonable given the read in the OP. For a decent, but not a reg player, I expect them to call with at least AJ+, ATs+, 77+ or somewhere around there. If we wiz it and put all of them on that range, we have to shove really tight.

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02-06-2010 , 02:45 PM

Chargemore

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I fist pump as I shove this, and I'd probably shove most suited aces. There isn't a desperate stack and we aren't comfortable at all, So we have to keep accumulating. If there was a 4bb ish stack I would play tighter here, but I would still probably jam this...

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02-06-2010 , 02:53 PM

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Kvaughan

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For people who want to shove: What range do you put our opponents on?

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02-06-2010 , 03:12 PM

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Glitlr

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I dnno I fold this a lot.

I mean, do they have a clue as in they know they have to be tight? Or do they SERIOUSLY know what's going on? BIIIIIIIG difference.

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02-06-2010 , 05:46 PM

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Chargemore

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Originally Posted by Kvaughan

For people who want to shove: What range do you put our opponents on?

Nash range for CO is 22+ A2s+ A8o+ A5o-A3o K4s+ KTo+ Q8s+ QTo+ J9s+ JTo T9s. It has tight ranges for the callers, 6.3% BTN 5.5% SB 7.1% BB, which I think these ranges are too tight so I would tighten from the nash pushing range a few clicks, 44+, A4s+, drop the low off suit aces etc.

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02-06-2010 , 06:06 PM

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Kvaughan

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Originally Posted by Chargemore

If you add like one PP into their hand range for player (so 7.5% for BB, 5.9% for SB and 6.3% for BTN) you get a shoving rage of something like 88+, AT+, A8s+, KQs. And, if anyone spazzes our and calls with even like ATo, the shove becomes pretty bad. I just can't see shoving this unless I have very good reads.

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