So borderline. Unknown players aren't shoving 20bb over a utg open very lightly - maybe 99+/AQ+...not sure if we can include AJs here. Close but I would fold.
i'd rather wait for a better spot... most players these days aren't jamming into a UTG raiser with worse than AQ... best case scenario you're flipping.
so yea like theagent77 said... fold unless u have a good read on the jammer
i'd rather wait for a better spot... most players these days aren't jamming into a UTG raiser with worse than AQ... best case scenario you're flipping.
so yea like theagent77 said... fold unless u have a good read on the jammer
No. Best case scenario is AJ/AT/KQ. It's fringy but I can have the best hand. I just don't know if it's often enough.
So borderline. Unknown players aren't shoving 20bb over a utg open very lightly - maybe 99+/AQ+...not sure if we can include AJs here. Close but I would fold.
My thoughts almost exactly before I called, but then I thought, no way has KK+, right?
true... can u tell us what happened in the hand ultimately?
He had tens. I didn't get there. Hated the call right before his cards flipped even though I wasn't in bad shape.
Weighing ranges is hard for me with these slight overshoves. I wanna say they're narrow necause theyre big but this wasn't an unreasonable shove and when I think a Villain is playing AK the same as AJ the same as 88 the same as 22 and maybe ATs/KQ (?) for that many chips, I freeze up.
I think position matters a lot here. People are trained to shove a bunch in LP/blinds but don't know what to do in MP vs UTG so I think villain's range skews tight. I also think people assume a really tight opening range from utg. I play these stakes a lot on acr and i'd say it's usually 1010+ and i don't expect to see much AQo or AJs. Fold for me.
I think position matters a lot here. People are trained to shove a bunch in LP/blinds but don't know what to do in MP vs UTG so I think villain's range skews tight. I also think people assume a really tight opening range from utg. I play these stakes a lot on acr and i'd say it's usually 1010+ and i don't expect to see much AQo or AJs. Fold for me.
Villain's position versus mine was what I confessedly did not consider enough.
Question: is Villain then folding 88/AQ? He can't flat.
I think it's probably a combination of calls and folds with like 5% chance of a shove with those hands. People flat pre so much these days but your 2.2x gets a lot more folds than a 2x min open would. I don't think the 20bb villain stack means they can't call. 17bbs yeah but I think you will still see a decent amount of calls because people don't know what to do in MP v UTG opens with these stack sizes.
