Hello, don't like this spot at all. Is there anything I could do but shove? Initial raiser unknown, 4bettor is a winning player/reg, but we don't have particular history to gether. What's interesting in the hand is our position obv.

Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
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UTG+2: t1500 M = 50
MP1: t1619 M = 53.97
MP2: t1020 M = 34
CO: t1990 M = 66.33
BTN: t1470 M = 49
Hero (SB): t1480 M = 49.33
BB: t1500 M = 50
UTG: t1500 M = 50
UTG+1: t1421 M = 47.37

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is SB with Q Q
6 folds, BTN raises to t60, Hero raises to t200, BB raises to t500, 1 fold, Hero ?

Urrrgh foul! But I canny get away cap'n! The fact it's the last 3 at the table suggests he could well be doing it with JJ/AQs but then if he knows you then that's obv less likely.

I'd fold here given our read. Sucks but what ya gonna do.

for me its fold, dont like gambling for 50BBs with just queens.. also would 3bet kinda lighter..

Hey Retam... I could go either way on this one... a few things..

Depends a lot on the reg. If it is a heavy straight forward multitabler, I am more inclined to fold. Some $16 regs, and I won't bother to say names, I would neeeever fold here too.
If the reg is positionally aware, it depends on the IR too. Obv tighter the IR then letting it go is better to me.
Obv if we have some flaky history with the reg we should give him an opportunity to spew.

So... I might fold this in game, but I am leaning towards 'don't fold' but could make a pretty easy laydown vs some players here.

FWIW, I am not sure the exact #'s but I think we should probably call if villains range is AK+, JJ+ due to the overlay, but it is pretty close. I can certainly imagine a fair percentage of $16 regs 4betting TT to a BTN raise, and SB reraise... depending on your image to them.

I don't see myself folding here.
As Castlebravo said, it will obv depend largely on the villain and his tendencies.
Some take a very strong line with the nuts, and some take it with very good hands that are not the nuts, and try to look weaker with the nuts.
I've seen this way too often from AK/JJ to fold in this spot, but then again I've also seen it from KK/AA.
But to me there is no folding with this many chips on the table against JJ+/AK. I'd go broke and fire up a new game or double up and being off to a great start.

go broke here and take a note.there are some where we pukefold qq or kk, but really not many.
but a 4bet is usually kk or aa obv no matter how ****ty the reg might be.

This is a very underrated line in many spots against regs.

Fold!!

I most likely fold. Sure there's nice overlay if he has AK, but he'd have to be super bad to raise fold 1/3 of stack with JJ
Maybe against certain regs but none come to mind at the moment..

Just wondering what do you mean by 'IR'?

Of course you're right it depends on our read of reg but villains OP said 'winning player/reg' and my read of this read is that they're not doing it with A/K, making this a puke fold!

Furthermore, just a small point, but I would think someone 'good' (who is bad enough to 4 bet A/K) in this spot would be more likely to shove to maximise FE? Four betting 2.5x your initial bet looks just ridic strong.

IR = Initial Raiser.

Aka, if the first person to raise was a complete tard, our 3bet range should be wider, and BB's 4bet range should be wider also.. assuming he would notice that.

Cool nhtob (never heard that one before )

I don't know many regs that 4 bet JJ here so I think it's a fold. Vs an unknown I lose my money. I like the take a note line too just for metagame stuff and you get to clearly define 4 betting bottom ends imo.

Bet sizing tells wise it feels stronger than a shove obv.

Good times.

Thanks for the comments, guys.

Don't you think a reg's 3bet range on a BTN raise is large enough for him to 4bet with AK-JJ?

If that's his range, the shove looks good assuming he never folds and IR never calls. If IR calls with something stupid sometimes, as unknowns can do sometimes, I guess it becomes a better push.

That would be true if blinds were a bit higher but I would doubt any winning reg is messing about with looser 4 bets based on positions of IR (I like this new term!) and 3 bettor (who I would guess he presumes to be reas solid?) at t20...

Button Is trying to steal your blind, your raise to an observer(aka to big blind) would look like you are trying to Resteal, and big blind then thinks why not Re steal your resteal since he probably has an A 5 or something he thinks he should be aiight with a Cbet..... I would shove

Yeah, it's the kind of reasons I would give too, but villain is a reg who probably knows me as a decent reg who will not resteal very wide in these spots. I doubt he re-resteals very wide, but JJ-AK could definitely be in his range. I have to admit that some regs will be tighter, so I should probably fold considering a mean distribution of regs will shove a little tighter