It's a Bounty tournament so I have the chance to get a double knockout but I know I'm probably less than 50% with at least one player having overs and the other maybe an over pair... is it actually a fold preflop as I still have some playability with 15bb?


PokerStars - 250/500 Ante 50 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 12,627 (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
UTG+1: 23,621 (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
MP: 33,855 (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
MP+1: 20,381 (VPIP: 37.14, PFR: 31.43, 3Bet Preflop: 26.67, Hands: 36)
MP+2: 14,438 (VPIP: 53.85, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 13)
CO: 5,300 (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
BTN: 5,094 (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
SB: 20,200 (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (BB): 7,471

9 players post ante of 50, SB posts SB 250, Hero posts BB 500

Pre Flop: (pot: 1,200) Hero has 4 4

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 5,250 and is all-in, BTN calls 5,044 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 4,750

Flop: (16,244, 3 players) 5 7 5

Turn: (16,244, 3 players) K

River: (16,244, 3 players) 3

Hero shows 4 4 (Two Pair, Fives and Fours)

Main Pot [15,832]: (Pre 18%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#1 [412]: (Pre 20%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)

CO shows 9 9 (Two Pair, Nines and Fives)

Main Pot [15,832]: (Pre 55%, Flop 74%, Turn 88%)
Side Pot#1 [412]: (Pre 81%, Flop 86%, Turn 95%)

BTN shows A 8 (One Pair, Fives)

Main Pot [15,832]: (Pre 27%, Flop 12%, Turn 7%)

CO wins 16,244

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I think the answer depends a lot on whether this is a progressive and what the value is of their bounties.

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Yes progressive, bounties relatively small as it was early stage of tourney which makes me lead to a fold.

I think it's prob a call - it's hard to construct ranges that give you less than about 27/28% - you need 29% to call in chip terms - add in the bounties and it's a reasonable spot to gamble.

yeah im calling here.

Really? If we assign ranges like:

CO: 22+, A2s+, KJs+
BTN: 22+, A8s+, KQs

Hero only has 21%. In fact it's hard to get Hero up to 28%, unless I'm not doing it properly.

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I think this is a fold here w/15 BB's especially in a bounty tournament. Just because you have a bounty your opponents range is going to expand and your pretty much beat by any cards over 4 that pair and hit the board. I like the option to fold and wait on a better hand.

I also think it is a fold. Obviously an easy call against one player. But against two, and at such an early stage where the bounties haven't risen too much, I think you can find a better spot to hunt those booties.

but these ranges are daft - they're way too weighted towards pairs and you're excluding masses of unsuited broadway type hands that increase our equity

CO 22+,A2s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,A9o+,KJo+,QJo (about 20%)
BU 66+,A8s+,KTs+,QJs,ATo+,KJo+ (about 13.5%)

gives us over 28% - and I think these ranges are pretty tight

I guess I could see that range for CO shoving but so you really think BTN is calling that wide?

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yeah maybe a little wide - but even if we narrow BTN to 77+,ATs+,KQs,AJo+,KQo (about 9.5%) we're still over 27%

if you feel like gambling call, if you dont fold

I think button seems reasonably strong, because he called the all in even though he can't even win the bounty and won't have any fold equity with 2 people to act behind. This call will be down to the size of the bounties of the players for the most part. Would def fold this in a non knockout tournament and almost always for min bounties, but if they're any bigger or one of them shoves wide I'd go for it.

I don't think button has to be strong here. Even though he can't win a bounty trying to double up in a good spot up and possibly hunting other bounties is a legitimate strategy imo. I would look at his stats if I have a reasonable sample to figure out if he is a nit or more loose.

Yeah of course look at the stats etc (forgot to mention that) but I think he's a lot stronger with 10 BB in this position than with 11 BB... The addition of a bounty helps a lot to widen the range