Nah its just what a standard bad, tight, uncreative reg does....when he decides to actually play a pot and try to be creative, he just fails miserably

5*

but dirty.brasil is so good in sngs!

I'm shaking with mirth.

who is the reg?

lol i think it's pretty obviously the guy who posted "fold pre "
could be wrong

agree any amount over a minraise is significant better due to spite equity
also yes minraise is better price, but it's not like you are getting way worse of a price if you 2.1, 2.2 or even 2.5 etc, because you get more folds for sure but also because if he calls you still win post a lot of the time/most of the time (and win the extra he puts in vs. a minraise, so if he calls a 2.3 instead of 2.0 raise pre, .3bb more in the pot for you who is in an advantangeous; aka more likely to win the post postflop situation with a stronger perceived range and position)

^Ruining a perfectly good troll thread with strat. CMON MAN!

Fair enough but when you make one of these ridiculous gif threads on a hand that is completely read based and give the bs reads on a villain you prob have a lot of hands on, it looks like ths is more an advertising thread than one you actualy want to get a line check on.

And please dont bring up sngs from years ago like they have anything to do with how you fair in today's games.

click it back again

when you are in a min-raising war, never give up

it's a very standard spot and we need balance. If we start 2.1x TJo and 2.5x AKo we're going to get jammed on properly - opponent is non standard and paying attention, I understand you say we compensate on more folds by bigger sizing but it's hardly linear with more folds preflop to small sizing as with more folds postflop to bigger sizing --
spr of 2.3 with 450 total raise compared to spr of 3.36 with 350 total raise,
that's quite a difference and plenty of cases we see three streets instead of two streets
My only counterpoint is that if he's limp jamming any reasonable % of time it nullifies any edge gained by bigger pot for postflop play.
That said I am not sure if people adjust their limp jam ranges properly to sizes so if they don't then yeah bigger is better for raisey daisy

Well obviously if villain is good I would be balance and raise the same with my entire range, and adjust depending how wide I wanna raise

yay 4 sippins use of the term fps vortex and james` advice on never giving up in CiB wars

rest of this thread blows

edit: i guess ur gif selection isnt completely terrible

This is imho the kind of line why we get less and less interresting hands on sttf and why more "experienced" players dont post as much as they used to.

I mean I dont disagree that this looks like "advertising". But why should a guy like abarone post a standard hand? If he cant post hands that he found interresting, why should he post hands at all? There is a reason why you dont see people like sippin post hands anymore.

I like the gifs and I like your thinking. I'm confused cause if he's "gif trapping" preflop then what hand is good enough to raise now? Only JJ. So I'm a little skeptical of his line.

great hand

Any reason you left this part off when you quoted me?
Because it speaks to the issue i had. What is villain's sbUOPFR, what are his postflop tendencies? What has his limp meant in the past. Does he understand ICM or has me made bad ICM calls in the past. These are the kind of reads that matter in a hand like this and ones that can be gleaned from your hud. There are numerous better HUD stat indicators that can help us narrow villains range and decide the best line to take rather than the reads OP gave.

Add to that the fact that this isnt a heads up hand. The other stacks at the table determine what our icm tax is vs this player and how profitable different lines will be vs him icmwise. I know he said he didnt have the hh but this OP reminds me of new players posting hands and not giving the most important info of the hand because they dont know that it's important.

I have no problem posting non standard hands but I dont see how any good player can post a hand like this as anything but showing off a fancy way to play a hand. If the choice is between having experienced players post hands where they show off how fps-ey they can play or not post at all, ill take the latter.

And the main reason good players dont post as much strat in sttf is because they dont want professional writers and coaches leaching material off of them for free. That and a tragedy of the commons type situation.

What do you think his limp/folding, limp/calling, and limp/shoving ranges are? If he's a reasonably good reg, then it's pretty unlikely that his strategy is so unbalanced that minraising 100% of hands is going to be profitable (I assume you think minraising 100% is profitable since you minraised 85o).

Specific to this hand, I am considering whether he is a good player or bad player, and what he has been doing in the blinds against me. No reason to know all his other stats for this spot.

no one has ever gone broke 4-betting otf. NO ONE

Yeppppp, well written Ruse. I suck at writing, but you know my feelings

I really disagree with this. Just breaking down players into good or bad misses so much. For one theres not some line that divides good players from bad, there is an entire spectrum of skill levels. But mainly, good players are good at certain things and bad at certain things. Like beserious said, we need to break down what his limping range is and what he'll do with his range vs our different preflop actions. Knowing his agro factor postflop, and how well he understands ICM pressure, can let us know which postflop lines to take and what preflop lines to take to get there.

Jax, you really dont think knowing the stack setups of other player at the table is important?

Tbh I have no problem with a reg posting a thread even if he knows the answer to the question he is asking, which I don't think Aaron is here.

If the thread is interesting enough it will generate debate and be good content for the forum.

Knowing the skill levels of the other players would probably be even more relevant than the stack setups ... Assuming the game has several unknowns/fish left (which seems pretty reasonable for a $15), it seems pretty bad to mess around in a spot that's at best marginal vs. the only other competent player left.

Yeah, "good and bad" is an over simplification. I actually categorize my opponents into randoms, abc regs, and good regs. Once I know the type of opponent they are, I can deduce their general range in many situations. Then I consider how active they have been from a certain position refining their range. Their perception (if they have any) of me, can further refine their range.

For example in this hand, if villain is an abc reg, his limping range is not going to stray too far from hands that have little showdown value but play well post flop (8-10, j7ss, etc). If villain is a good reg perhaps it will include those hands and some big hands for balance. If the villain is a fish it can be close to atc (generally speaking ofc). If villain has been limping a few times he is less likely to be trapping with a limp, and should be easier to push off the hand preflop. On the flip side if he has been only raising or folding his sb, I view this limp as suspect and probably check behind. His perception of me comes into play as well, if he views me as a good agg player, then limps given stacks sizes I will be more inclined to feel a trap.

Knowing the skill level of my opponents is even more benefical for post flop play. Of course it is more complicated than this and by no means are these absolutes, but this is the basis of how I determine hand ranges.

**Oh yeah and ofc notes, plenty of notes!