I think its kinda shove or fold. Call and shove river if checked too sounds ok, but I doubt it works because we are likely to be shoved on by air, so I don't think we have the right pot odds to float. I don't hate shoving as played, I think bet 200 turn is very much correlated to spazzing out turn min3bet. (I'm assuming this is heads up in hyper not bvb pot in some other format with people left out of the hand?)

long time listener, first time caller

dont know why but this has me lmao, fold pre, YOU FOLD PRE, your mom folds pre, great stuff keep it up, hello Indiana

I think what you are missing is... he can just check it... there is no reason to fold.

I feel a lot of the advice saying "Oh he's never folding pre for that but he'll fold for two more chips" is kinda silly and ROT. Just because he plays non-standard at times doesn't mean I should expect him to do totally different stuff ALL THE TIME. Jaxtraw touched on that, actually.

Turbo 9 max, 6 left

you'd be surprised....

give the (spewy) reg some other buttons to click and he will eventually give u his chips.

well played by villan imo

Eh I forgot to ask about this? Assumed it was more than 2 handed for some reason.

Well I think you're right in that if someone starts a FPS spewy bluff they generally finish it off so we don't get the correct odds to float here, but in theory shoving is much worse than call or fold....
should have out SN imo.

Why can't you just check preflop? Although you want to 'punish' him for the limp you can do this by jamming a solid 30-40% and waiting for him to adjust badly

You should also not in theory be raising much here at all because it's very easy for villain to start limp jamming and make a raise highly -EV.
Just start jamming it in from the BB-- you'll get walks instead of limps to make up for the time they show top 5% (much less than people think. people NEVER trap anymore)

I don't think it is good for our specific hand if he jams T9o/AX/KT or w/e on the river. He very well may fold all of these to a turn jam.

Agree with you point about pre.

But srsly, I do check sometimes but here I figured the reg was either trapping or completing hands that he'd fold to a raise. Obviously I was incorrect.

Checking isn't fun guys, RAISING is fun

wow, only a triple post

^c-c-c-c-c-combobreaker

check or raise a bit bigger pre +1. Postflop depends on who I'm playing. c-betting close to 100% of time, though.

Any other reads on how he plays the SB? Like is he limping a decent amount?

To me this looks like he took the 'non standard' play of limping the top of his range, knowing you were a reg and would shove over him much wider than you'd call his shove. When you just raised he was surprised and clicked 'call' either without thinking too much or because he was thinking, knew that limp/re-shove looks like a strong line and he wanted action.

This is about the only range I could see a good player limp/calling here in non mis-click situations (of course if he were VERY good he might do this wider to balance against you). I would figure that even some hands that are premium but not monsters, AQ type hands, he is more likely to limp/reshove...

After this he quite simply isn't putting you on a J and is thinking you have enough 6s/4s/bluffs or is stubborn and not wanting to let go of his tarp.

Either way everything about his line screams value, value, value. Pretty much every single decision he makes screams this to me. I don't think he has a lot of Jacks (maybe AJ, but I think he would limp/reshove this) but he probably knows that you don't either...

PS. As for pre raising>shoving for sure!

I'll only make one post this time, but it's a tad longer.

Professional baseball players swing and miss.
Professional football players drop a pass.
Professional basketball players get rejected.

But professional poker players have to play perfect all of the time?

Sometimes hands are played incorrectly; I've never ever said I make the most optimal play every time and that's because I'm human. I make mistakes. It happens. I'd like to think my results accumulated over 100,000+ games speak for themselves, but hey, if someone isn't interested in learning how to beat these games because I misplayed one hand, that's their prerogative. I would, however, like to be able to post hands that I find interesting without having my entire playing history/coaching acumen undermined.

That wasn't so hard was it? 1 post ftw!

owned

did not mean to imply you aren't a good coach or anything. have been following your coaching thread and play and think you are very good.

what i meant (should have been more clear) is this post is so at odds with your general tight solid SNG game that I assume it's an indulgence or something or an image post.

I notice a lot of very good TAG SNG players like to post a few threads a year like this that just baffuddle me. I mean you post an image saying "limp trap" then minraise right after (which has to be the worst of your preflop options by far).

op: "it baffles me how you (are such a good coach at) these games and post a hand like this. unless this is like a one post a year level allotment or something, in which case I guess the hand was entertaining!"

i reported my old post, hopefully it's deleted so it doesn't remain unclear.

lol thread

I really don't think this is an image post. His play isn't that ridiculous.

I tend to just check back such a weak hand for balance purposes but given the read that villain is either jamming or folding to a raise, he is getting a pretty damned good price on just minraising.

Unfortunately the villain either limped something decent that he didn't want to raise/fold or he just limp/called trash because folding to a minraise would be very unmanly.

I don't really understand the flop check. I think it is giving his limp/calling range too much credit. Maybe he thinks delayed c-betting is lower variance? Who knows? Just bet small here.

On the turn we rep nothing but we have a gutter and some FE so it cant be that bad. When we get 3 bet on a super dry board it smells fishy as hell because it is either Jx or nothing and we'd expect Jx to just call and let you bluff the river since you rep nothing but whenever I get out of line here they always somehow have something so just fold.

Snap folding is the best bet

CIB

This hand is played horribly on most streets aside from the flop but then the flop becomes terrible because of what you do on the turn.

Preflop is LOL whatever. Not going to go into it.

If you are checking the flop then you should be calling the turn. Raising is absolutely terrible and reps nothing. If you are checking the flop you are representing something with showdown value and this turn changes nothing and therefore a call is a must.

If you want to continue in this hand you have to call. Raising is ridiculous again because you rep NOTHING. You have zero VALUE hands in your range that you are going to check back flop and then click over a turn bet and re-click. If you have quads or a boat you are calling always.

This is just a "look at me I'm showing off hand" and really shouldn't be posted.

/rant