Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 8 players
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UTG: t2155 M = 7.18
UTG+1: t9775 M = 32.58
MP1: t1795 M = 5.98
MP2: t2415 M = 8.05
CO: t940 M = 3.13
BTN: t2120 M = 7.07
Hero (SB): t5665 M = 18.88
BB: t2920 M = 9.73

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is SB with 7 A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t200, 5 folds, BB checks

take a careful look at villains' stack sizes before you berate me for posting an easy shove.

betting/raising is spew. I think a fold is best play but a complete cant be horrible. I fold...

Actually with UTG+1 having a massive stack I'd say he's more likely to be limping with junk and folding than if his stack was smaller, but we're too deep to be shoving here anyways. I'm throwing in my 100 and hoping to flop the frush, giving up easily if we don't get a great flop.

edit: as long as BB isn't someone who habitually raises limpers/completers, in that case auto-fold

I had the opposite thought. Why would an enormous stack limp from EP, unless he was completely ******ed? If he has AA, he's calling no matter what, and if he's ******ed, he's more likely to make a speculative call than fold, so it's hard to put him on a range imo.

Also, given the other stack sizes at the table, I don't have much interest in limp-folding.

This whole hand would be much easier if I had reads on villains instead of a general understanding of how villains play in tournaments like this... but if it was easier, I wouldn't have posted it.

This isn't an either/or situation, he doesn't have to be ******ed and playing 72o here or trapping with the nuts, he most likely has a speculative/implied odds type of hand like you do here and is trying to see the flop as cheaply as possible. My best guess would be he has a small pair or something like QJs, he doesn't want to raise and get 3bet if somebody behind has a real hand, but being the big stack it's relatively cheap for him to limp and he probably won't have his limps raised lightly b/c his stack will intimidate people out of it. I don't know if it's an optimal strategy or not, but it is pretty common.

Eh, 5:1 immediate odds, little cards with big potential, healthy stack, I'm completing here. It's really only half a limp-fold, with a very low chance of being raised before seeing the flop. My bad if you're talking about the big stack and not you here.

how should this be a easy shove, I dont think u get berated for not shoving, nh imo...

This is an accurate observation, and if villain has, say, half the stack he has in the OP, it's a much different situation. Your analysis of his range is solid, but given the newfound propensity for people to limp AA/KK pre, and also for someone with such a huge stack to shrug and say "he must be restealing," and call... suddenly i find myself all-in against a hand that has me crushed, or I could be in against a 40/60 or 60/40 that I will probably lose because I run worse than the no-legged man in a foot race.

On an A high flop, I lose all my chips to A8-AJ, all of which fit neatly into a bad player's range. What am I really hoping for here, a 7 high flop with two clubs? I just don't think this is a "little cards with big potential" hand; I would much rather be in this spot with QJc. I am folding every flop that I'm not a huge favorite on, and villains fold every flop that is good for me. A7 is in bad trouble when it hits, unless it's an A high flop with two other clubs. It just reeks of a terrible postflop spot against an enormous stack that is probably already playing loose.

Restealing implies somebody was stealing, you usually can't steal anything with a limp unless the BB thinks open-folding is his best move You shouldn't be finding yourself all-in at all here, risking a healthy stack to win 500 just isn't worth it here, even though I'm thinking UTG+1 folds quite a bit here.



You shouldn't be losing all your chips here, you should possibly be losing a small bet on the flop, and playing very carefully afterwards.

Yeah, that or A7x/77x

How does villain know which flops are good for you?

Easy money if you hit big, dump it if you don't. Possible ~60:1 on your 100 chips if he's really that loose.

I feel like my implied odds are very low. Villain doesn't know what flops are good for me, but a hugely-stacked limp-tard isn't going to donk or call very many flops that he doesn't hit. If he hits, I probably didn't, and the converse is also true. I make very little money on flops that are good for me. You said yourself that my best chances are flopping a set or top 2, and no villain is going to proceed postflop in spots where I hit hard.

This is a dumb spot for me to proceed carefully postflop, as the pot size basically says I get one bet that might take down the pot, and if it doesn't and I want to continue, I have to shove. I would rather preserve that 10%-ish of my stack for better push-fold spots later.

I would complete. From the stack sizes it doesn't even look near a final table and you should be aware of how Big stack got its 9000 by now interms of play. Folding here is nitty and shoving here is spew.

Complete and play some poker.

too thin here.

I just fold. You're OOP with a weak A with little implied odds and possibly good reverse implied odds.

With antes and an M of ~10 I think you can shove if you think UTG+1 is just a limptard who folds a ton here.

you arent going to be trying to taake down pots for the most part you will only be value betting. the bolded part actually makes the hand really easy to play

you can shove here sometimes but i dont do it everytime. your stack is just almost too big but not quite