Hey guys, well I finally have the roll to play these, and I was wondering how soft these were? I've played one and finished 9th, and it did seem soft, but I was hoping to have some input from people who grind these. Can you make a nice profit from these if you grind every day? What type of bankroll should I have?

THANKS!

Rob

Please pardon me if this is to long of a post its my first one
These SNG's are incredibly soft most of the players have absolutely no clue how to play and will have 2BB's left and post the BB and fold to a raise, and yes they can be a big cash cow I haven't been playing them long but have made a good amount of money. I play extremely tight first the first few levels and when I do actually have a hand i raise more than normal like 4x +. When the blinds start to get higher around the 50/100 and up I start playing looser and once 1/200 25 ante kicked it I play very aggressively and if u have like 10x the BB and its folded around to me hijack or later I very often shove any hand that isn't god awful I don't do it every time because even idiots will eventually catch on but stealing the blinds and antes are crucial as in any tourny but seeing as how your gonna be so short its much more critical in these, don't be afraid to gamble with draws and coin flips and the most important aspect is wrecking the bubble, play hyper aggressive and take advantage of nitty people just trying to make the money if you make a final table its just like a short stacked SNG take advantage of pay jumps and players just trying to move up. Don't get discouraged if you don't cash in a bunch in a row if you play for the win you will definately make money

and I might add I'm not that good of a player at all so you may be better off getting advice from someone else and 10BB stack is probably too big to be shoving with junk maybe 8BB and less is a shove probably gonna need someone elses opinion

what do you think good players "Steal" with? QQ+?

These are very soft. However, they have VERY VERY high variance to them and thus require a much larger bankroll, especially if you want to multi-table.

there are several posts about these tournaments. most of this has already been discussed. i wouldnt feel comfortable playing these with a bankroll less than 60 buyins. this probably isnt enough to ensure less than 5% ROR. I havent played too many but i have definitely had runs of not cashing 10 in a row.

youre going to find urself in many spots where you need to steal and youre going to push into good hands that are going to call. get ready for some big swings

i disagree with the other poster. there are a number of clueless players but they are not near as tight as he makes them out to be. there will be an occasional player who will fold with 2bb (or less) but this isnt that common.

edit: just checked OPR says i played 17 with only 1 cash for the minimum. thats -$180.24

in 45 man turbos, which pay a larger percentage of the field, losing 20 tourneys in a row is not uncommon. because of the larger field, you should expect to go stretches of 50 tourneys or more without a final table on a fairly regular basis

pokerstars should make sure to stock the VPP store with bullets for exactly the price of the amount of FPP awarded for 50 nonconsecutive cashes.

very soft and very beatable...biggers advice is to widen you range for people's move and noy try to make hero folds...you will see 4 way all ins in early levels with K10, A 6 and suited connectors so play your big pairs fast and like the nuts...yes this will bring varaiance into play but you will usually have the best of it and easy to accumulate chips...take limp fold out of your plan...ony play pots ifyou have a plan cause you will face irrational aggression...bankroll is essential and also essential is to grab chips hard from 30 spots down...no real reason to get to 10-18....real money is 1-4 or so

They are very soft. My tips are play your cards fast and hard and dont fold to often as people are way to loose compared to other tourneys. Not rare to see someone go nuts AI with A8 (s) at 10/20 or 15/30 level. When it comes to bankroll maybe 55 + buyins, remember the variance are quite big....GL

there are very soft thats for sure...and they have very high variance you almost have to take an extra gamble and play veryyy aggressivly with ur hands to build a stack

Thanks for the replies guys. I've dabbled and had some success, but there is def a lot of variance.

Can someone link to other threads discussing these?

This pretty much sums it up, alot of weak players that will blind themselves to death at the 50/100 blind level, stay tight early hope to hit big, if you double up in the first 2 levels you should be able to pick up blinds later on and use your stack to your advantage, players really play tight when there down to 30ish players, once your in that range, attack! but if someone calls or goes over the top they probably have a super strong hand.

you cannot be a nit and a winning player in these imo... if you have no problem turning the aggression meter on full blast - at the right times - they should be very profitable.

I won 2 of these yesterday and had 2 other cashes.

Just shove on the bubble. If you get called, there goes -$12. But you won't win one of these without having a big stack and running hot, which I did.