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12/180 A2o Sb 10 bbs against world famous brad2002tj 12/180 A2o Sb 10 bbs against world famous brad2002tj

02-06-2011 , 04:24 PM
makin sure a call is good here against 2p2er and mtt reg brad2002tj


Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
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UTG+1: t7220 M = 5.35
UTG+2: t5908 M = 4.38
MP1: t7246 M = 5.37
MP2: t5240 M = 3.88
CO: t7920 M = 5.87
BTN: t3450 M = 2.56
Hero (SB): t6940 M = 5.14
BB: t5220 M = 3.87
UTG: t5043 M = 3.74

Pre Flop: (t1350) Hero is SB with 2 A
5 folds, CO raises to t7870 all in, 1 fold, Hero calls t6590 all in
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02-06-2011 , 04:33 PM
Eh, I fold.
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02-06-2011 , 04:37 PM
I heard brad had moved back to 2's, is this a level?
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02-06-2011 , 04:58 PM
this is a super easy pokerstove question so basically ur asking what is brad's range.. why dont u just pm him and ask him what his range is for every spot. this is dumb.
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02-06-2011 , 05:29 PM
not dumb, im basically saying that i think vs most unknowns this is a fold, vs a massmultitabling reg like brad and most regs this can be a call just they've got like 20 tables up and see its fold to them and they can openshove profitably in a spot like this with like suited connectors and Q9s+ QJo+ and 22+
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02-06-2011 , 06:10 PM
Not a 180 grinder but imo unless he's shoving a very very wide range don't see how you can call. A2 is pretty much either a 57-60% hand against any 2 or is dominated by all good hands.
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02-06-2011 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by firefoxmaz11
not dumb, im basically saying that i think vs most unknowns this is a fold, vs a massmultitabling reg like brad and most regs this can be a call just they've got like 20 tables up and see its fold to them and they can openshove profitably in a spot like this with like suited connectors and Q9s+ QJo+ and 22+
Brad´s range for that stack and from that pos is at least...
22+, A3o+, A2s+, KTo+, K8s+, QTo+, Q9s+, JTo, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, 87s
And A2o has 42% equity against that range, and ur having 1.4:1 pot odds to call or, in other words, u need 42% equity to breakeven...But giving the fact that is a REG he could be jamming a lot wider making this play a lot more closer to calling.
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Originally Posted by -Reraise-
Eh, I fold.
Its a very marginal but +cEV call...And giving the fact that we´re facing a REG he could be jamming a lot wider.
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Originally Posted by JomboJuice22
I heard brad had moved back to 2's, is this a level?
Thats not true...u can search him any day of the week.
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Originally Posted by rmfan31
this is a super easy pokerstove question so basically ur asking what is brad's range.. why dont u just pm him and ask him what his range is for every spot. this is dumb.
I think i speak for everybody when i say that if you´re not going to add anything positive that might add value to our comunity its better if u dont post at all...
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02-06-2011 , 06:51 PM
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Thats not true...u can search him any day of the week.
by far the best part of the thread

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I think i speak for everybody when i say that if you´re not going to add anything positive that might add value to our comunity its better if u dont post at all...
this IS a simple pokerstove spot, and it should be in the 180 thread anyway.

also check your math on the equity required in this pot.
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02-06-2011 , 06:59 PM
ok ill start a thread where i basically ask what a really good reg's range is for a given situation.. theres nothing ****ed up about that at all.
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02-06-2011 , 07:00 PM
World famous!
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02-06-2011 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by brad2002tj
World f famous!
fyp
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02-06-2011 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ftn_chris
this IS a simple pokerstove spot, and it should be in the 180 thread anyway.
I wasnt refering to whether or not this was a Stove spot, its obvious that it is, i was refering to the guys atituted about it, saying this was dump and its better if he PM the guy asking for his range in that spot...Thats not what most of us wanna read in the comunity.
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also check your math on the equity required in this pot.
If ur not agree with my math about the equities post urs a lets compare...Add a constructive comment and/or opinion and lets build knowledge for everybody.
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02-06-2011 , 07:24 PM
Potamito, did you account for the big blind?
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02-06-2011 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by -Reraise-
Potamito, did you account for the big blind?
Let me go over the numbers again...
- Preflop it says $1350
- Hero has left $6940 + $300 from the SB making his stack $7240
- Villian is shoving $7240 effective

So...
- $1350(pre flop)+$7240(Villain´s effective stack) = $8590 total
- Hero has to call his remaining $6940
This gives hero 1.2:1 pot odds on the call and/or 47.7% needed equity to breakeven.

Villains shoving range..
22+, A3o+, A2s+, KTo+, K8s+, QTo+, Q9s+, JTo, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, 87s
A2o has around 41.6% equity against that range so its a marinal read dependant situation..But knowing this particular REG i know he´s capable of shoving a lot more wider.
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02-06-2011 , 08:19 PM
u guys arent counting the fact that brad runs really bad. makes this an easy call imo
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02-06-2011 , 08:20 PM
easiest call ever?
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02-06-2011 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteRabbito
u guys arent counting the fact that brad runs really bad. makes this an easy call imo
LMAO¡!¡
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02-06-2011 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Potamito
...in other words, u need 42% equity to breakeven...
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Originally Posted by Potamito
This gives hero 1.2:1 pot odds on the call and/or 47.7% needed equity to breakeven.
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Originally Posted by Potamito

If ur not agree with my math about the equities post urs a lets compare
im not agree with either of your maths.

1350 (pot) + 6590 (our remaining chips) + 6890 (co's investment) = 14830
6590/14830=.444

assuming bb folds we need 44.4%

your first post was just wrong, your 2nd is just an issue with reading the hh, and im pretty sure i read it right (that we start the hand with 6940 before posting blinds and antes)

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So...
- $1350(pre flop)+$7240(Villain´s effective stack) = $8590 total
- Hero has to call his remaining $6940
This gives hero 1.2:1 pot odds on the call and/or 47.7% needed equity to breakeven.
and i assume you meant 44.7 and not 47.7

without typing a range for a specific player...we have more than 44.7% (and more than whatever the presence of the bb adds to that required equity) so call!

Last edited by ftn_chris; 02-06-2011 at 08:38 PM.
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02-06-2011 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ftn_chris
im not agree with either of your maths.

1350 (pot) + 6590 (our remaining chips) + 6890 (co's investment) = 14830
6590/14830=.444

assuming bb folds we need 44.4%

your first post was just wrong, your 2nd is just an issue with reading the hh, and im pretty sure i read it right (that we start the hand with 6940 before posting blinds and antes)



and i assume you meant 44.7 and not 47.7
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02-06-2011 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Potamito
If ur not agree with my math
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Originally Posted by ftn_chris
im not agree with either of your maths.
so much win.

incoming almost serious response.. potamito, u seem to have completely misunderstood the point of what i was saying. posting a hand where ur essentially asking for the range of one of the top 180 grinders is just plain disrespectful, and absolutely ******ed ducy? theres a line between helping the community and attempting to surface rather critical information, and it seems pretty obv this thread is tip-toeing that line.
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02-06-2011 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by rmfan31
so much win.

incoming almost serious response.. potamito, u seem to have completely misunderstood the point of what i was saying. posting a hand where ur essentially asking for the range of one of the top 180 grinders is just plain disrespectful, and absolutely ******ed ducy? theres a line between helping the community and attempting to surface rather critical information, and it seems pretty obv this thread is tip-toeing that line.
Waoooo...thats a strong comment mate
Disrespectfull?
******ed ducy?
Attempting to surface critical information?
a tip-toeing line thread?
Come on bro¡!¡...OP is not asking us to go a talk to brad and ask him for his shoving range on that spot, he´s only asking for our opinion about on what range do we put this particular villain..And this is something that goes over in the hughe majority of the threads in the comunity...There´s no way u can know for sure at least with acurate, the range of hands anybody is opening and/or jamming with in any particular situation...But by experience u can narrow some villain´s range down..Isnt that what we do everyday when we play? Maybe the thread misslead a bit when OP mention villain´s name.
And beside, i dont need to know brad´s game and/or ranges to know that he and all the good REG are shoving according equilibrium shoving ranges, some may be shoving it a bit tighter/looser depending on the situation and their villains.
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02-06-2011 , 11:59 PM
Ya this is pretty true. You shouldn't name names of other 2p2 reg's in threads where you are basically asking ''how do i beat him''.
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02-07-2011 , 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiteRabbito
u guys arent counting the fact that brad runs really well. makes this an easy call imo
FYP

he had QJo flop AJ3 turn brick river Q
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02-07-2011 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by firefoxmaz11
FYP

he had QJo flop AJ3 turn brick river Q
you know what its like to be on a 200 game downswing, win a 20/80 at a singe table during a single session, and then have the fish say something like "wow must be nice to be you"?

cuz thats pretty much what you just did.
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02-07-2011 , 12:39 AM
i think u mean 200 buy in.
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