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06-17-2008 , 10:05 AM

mnlgrind

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Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t100/t200
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t3565
Button: t5900
Hero: t2195
BB: t1840

Pre-flop: 4 players Hero is SB with 8

UTG calls t200(pot was t300) Button folds, Hero calls t100(pot was t500), BB checks.

Flop:] 2

t600, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks,UTG bets t200Hero raises to t800 BB folds, UTG raises all-in t3365[/color], Hero ???

Results:
Final pot: t2200

we've been at it for quite a while on this bubble, as i raised the flop i was confident w my TP but when he insta-shoved me, i got ghey and folded. thoughts? thanks in advance.

Last edited by mnlgrind; 06-17-2008 at 10:16 AM. Reason: incomplete info

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06-17-2008 , 10:13 AM

Beerocrat

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Completing pf with 10BBs on the bubble seems really bad.

Raising half your stack, then folding is also bad. I don't think you can fold once you've made that raise. If you are going to play this flop, I think bet/fold or check/call make more sense.

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06-17-2008 , 11:05 AM

OreosAndMilk

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fold pf, especially with 10bb on the bubble.

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06-17-2008 , 11:12 AM

pifhluk

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Fold preflop and you won't end up in these situations.

As played you committed a huge portion of your stack but with 1200 left I would just fold as the other short stack is not that far ahead and 90% of the time you are outkicked or worse.

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06-17-2008 , 03:52 PM

braminc

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am i missing something? this looks like a superstandard pf shove..

edit: nm, didnt see utg limper. just fold pf

Last edited by braminc; 06-17-2008 at 04:01 PM.

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06-17-2008 , 03:58 PM

unrealzeal

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Originally Posted by braminc

am i missing something? this looks like a superstandard pf shove..

Shoving is definitely much better than calling, imho.

Also, if this is an STT, why no reads???????? Isn't that the most important part? Didn't you have a guess on whether the limp was a made hand or not?

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06-17-2008 , 04:03 PM

Rodolphe

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I just fold preflop. I don't think a shove is a good play. Probably marginal at best, specially on the bubble.

As played, I'm check/calling the flop.
Check raising is too strong and spewy for the strength of your hand.

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06-17-2008 , 04:08 PM

unrealzeal

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Originally Posted by Rodolphe

Yeah, but you will never get to showdown cheap here, and it's pretty tough not to go broke on top pair in a four-handed game. Leading is fine, as long as you are prepared to fold to resistance.

Read-less, I think you have to lead top pair.

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