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01-06-2008 , 12:34 PM

HiLoFish

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t1515)
SB (t2855)
BB (t2350)
Hero (t2700)
MP1 (t705)
MP2 (t1960)
CO (t1415)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T

, T

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Hero raises to t275, 5 folds, BB raises to t500, Hero ???

Villain is a solid SNG player (TheActionKid), pretty sure his range is TT+ AQ+, right? And what to do?

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01-06-2008 , 12:49 PM

J-P

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I dunno, gay spot and it really looks like KK+. I guess we can call the 225 more to try and spike a T.

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01-06-2008 , 01:34 PM

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If hes solid i don't see AQ or TT in hes range at all, its probably just QQ+, maybe with AK

And yeah 225 to win hes stack sounds like an ok price to call here for set.

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01-07-2008 , 12:28 PM

HiLoFish

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since hes probably not stacking off everytime with AK/QQ/KK (and AQ/TT/JJ?) is this really a good price to call for setvalue?

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01-07-2008 , 12:34 PM

riverfish1

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yeah I would get ride of it unless you have been super aggro recently and picked up the blinds in 7 of the last 8 deals or something like that

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01-07-2008 , 01:01 PM

Kevin8423

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I just fold, calling for set value here is bad IMO.

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01-07-2008 , 02:52 PM

suzzer99

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With your stack I might actually call just for set value/principle. He plays a lot and will notice if you consistently fold to a minraise. I still doubt he's creative enough to do it w/o a monster. But I dunno, stack him with a set one time and at least it will get him to knock that **** off.

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01-07-2008 , 08:48 PM

kamel

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Originally Posted by HiLoFish

Villain is a solid SNG player (TheActionKid)

Sharkscope tells something different of being a marginal winner at low stakes and a loser at $100+, allthough not very signifikant. So I guess, your read of him being a solid player comes from something different. But without to know them in detail, it's hard to say what's to do.

In general, seeing his bad stats, I'd probably call for set-value+information, probably fold to his minraise. Those slight loser seldom have lower PPs, but who knows.

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01-07-2008 , 09:26 PM

AMT

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gah, you might be just deep enough without a good enough read to make this call for set value but its probably just a fold, if hes a decent multi tabling reg and he has any clue that you're not terrible this is rarely not JJ/QQ+ AK without significant history.

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01-07-2008 , 09:45 PM

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suzzer99

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Originally Posted by kamel

Sharkscope tells something different of being a marginal winner at low stakes and a loser at $100+, allthough not very signifikant.

The difference in starting hands between the best $100+ SNG player, and a marginal loser is not going to be much. Although you won't see too many min-reraises out of the best SNG player. Either way, if villian is a non-horrible regular who knows you, you're either crushed or he's making an exotic play (very unlikely).

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01-07-2008 , 09:57 PM

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kamel

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[quote=suzzer99;2127310]The difference in starting hands between the best $100+ SNG player, and a marginal loser is not going to be much./quote]

That's a very good joke, lol.

The marginal winners are most likely weak-tight,
the most best ROI winners are most likely to be LAG.
That's a huge jump.

PS: BTW, his villain does not seem to be a winning player btw.

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01-07-2008 , 10:00 PM

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suzzer99

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Big ROI winners are only slightly looser. Big ROI comes from always playing the bubble and near it perfectly.

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01-07-2008 , 10:05 PM

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kamel

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Big ROI winners are only slightly looser. Big ROI comes from always playing the bubble and near it perfectly.

What a bad joke.

Big ROI winners come from
good early postflop play,
good estimating of late play when they have ICM level1/2 decisions about breakeven
good influencing their regulars
good rakeback IMHO

And I don't understand 6-8% ROI as a good result in $100s SnGs, there are 8-13% possible if you play them correctly.

BTW, there is no correct way to play bubble-near situations correctly as their are always reads, miclicks, tilts, future game simulations, bankroll considerations (especially against amateurs) and so on.

Of course, SnGs are only Math, Math, Math, lol, lol, lol. Go back to your $50-$200 SnGs.

Last edited by kamel; 01-07-2008 at 10:16 PM.

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01-07-2008 , 11:13 PM

#14

AMT

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And I don't understand 6-8% ROI as a good result in $100s SnGs, there are 8-13% possible if you play them correctly.

This would largely depend both on overall skill factors (as you alluded to in your post) and the amount of tables being played.

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01-08-2008 , 02:34 AM

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HiLoFish

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Come on guys, you know TheActionKid right..

saying hes not solid is a huge leak IMO, unless the sharkscope stats.

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01-08-2008 , 02:36 AM

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kamel pls teach me 2 beat $100 sngs for 8-13% ty.

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01-08-2008 , 04:48 AM

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Luisgallo

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I think his reraise range here is much tighter then TT+, especially given the size of it.

I would call for set value though but i won't get excited even on a rags flop.

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01-08-2008 , 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kamel

Are you a complete ****ing moron?

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01-08-2008 , 07:25 AM

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Luisgallo

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Originally Posted by ryanghall

Are you a complete ****ing moron?

Please Ryan do not berate fish!

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01-08-2008 , 07:31 AM

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Luisgallo

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Originally Posted by Kevin8423

I just fold, calling for set value here is bad IMO.

Kevin, I think folding is awfully bad and calling for set value is absolutely optimal given the stack to pot ratio of both players.

They both have slightly more than a pot size bet on the flop and with villain acting first he will ALWAYS stack off if we hit our set while we will never pay him if we do not hit.

I don't see anyone check/folding AA or KK on a T high flop when given 3 to 1 to call.

Last edited by Luisgallo; 01-08-2008 at 07:37 AM.

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01-08-2008 , 07:40 AM

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mement_mori

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I vote for fold too, assuming this is the first time this regular does it against you. If he ever tries it again I think you have to at least call for metareasons, but for now I would just fold.

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01-08-2008 , 08:01 AM

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Scotty_12

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I would post in this thread but I need to get good influencing of my regulars and good rakeback. Once i have those things ill see if this thread is still around

ps: ryan im going to bed like an hour or two after you wake up (but u get a pension and paid holidays)

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01-08-2008 , 09:01 AM

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Luisgallo

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Originally Posted by youcanhaveitall

If he ever tries it again I think you have to at least call for metareasons, but for now I would just fold.

lol

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01-08-2008 , 01:39 PM

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Chipchucker5

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Originally Posted by HiLoFish

Come on guys, you know TheActionKid right..

saying hes not solid is a huge leak IMO, unless the sharkscope stats.

Yeah, I play with him a lot...he posts here sometimes, doesn't he? I'd be surprised if he does this with anything but AA and KK.

Also, I'm interested to hear how one influences his regulars optimally at the tables. And 13% ROI is pretty unrealistic without nitty table selection, and it's hard to get a ton of rakeback if we're table selecting a lot...