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05-24-2008 , 11:20 PM

Little John

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,596

hand 1, bb=13/9 filtered, 160 hands

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Hero (t1295)
BB (t2660)
UTG (t2730)
MP (t2060)
CO (t1255)
Button (t3500)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8

, T

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4 folds, Hero?

Hand 2, villan 15/12, 39 hands filtered

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CO (t1150)
Button (t1950)
Hero (t1115)
BB (t1730)
UTG (t2525)
UTG+1 (t1740)
MP1 (t2240)
MP2 (t1050)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

, 7

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6 folds, Hero?

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05-25-2008 , 12:10 AM

BudELee236

journeyman

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 358

I open fold both of these at the $27's but the BB I'm usually up against is ~30/15.

You could probably get away with raising tighter blinds here. At t300 to win t150, he would have to flat or raise you 33.3% of the time for you not to show a profit (even if you never won after being called).

Do people play back this liberally at the higher buy-ins?

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05-25-2008 , 12:19 AM

skates

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Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,111

Aren't they both shoves? Neither seems that close. Even against an equilibrium opponent these are shoves, and these villains are probably much tighter.

*HU player... newbie advice.

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05-25-2008 , 02:51 AM

AMT

Charlie Brown of MTTs

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 17,745

At 1st glance it seems that they both should be +Ev in a vacuum. That said, in-game I'd probably fold the 1st for FE preservation purposes (complete, anyone?) and shove the 2nd.

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05-25-2008 , 03:39 AM

suzzer99

Save the Cheerleader, Save the World

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 100,714

I probably fold 1 and shove 2. Even if 1 is slightly +ev, I'd rather save my FE for later when I need it a lot more vs. bigstack (IE - don't use up all my shoves now).

Lol just read AMT's post. Pure genius AMT, keep up the good work. Also I don't tend to complete and steal against villians with more than twice my stack. Unless they're just insanely tight/passive.

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05-25-2008 , 05:07 AM

AAmucked

adept

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,024

I like the fold of both of these, they help bigtime when you start shoving later when it matters more.

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05-25-2008 , 05:29 AM

Scotty_12

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Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,359

Hand 1 i dont like a shove, and i think complete/stab is fine especially bc a tag player is likely to nit it up with a healthy stack + tags often dont float/playback making these spots profitable for us. For the same reasons, i think raising pf 280ish is fine

Hand 2 I agree with you guys is a shove

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05-25-2008 , 12:01 PM

Jonathan

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,711

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Originally Posted by Scotty_12

What is the difference between hand 1 and hand 2?
They look the same to me

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05-25-2008 , 01:59 PM

sippin_criss

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,779

I shove both, fkn, onions baby, onions.

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05-25-2008 , 06:05 PM

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Oczkusss

adept

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 920

I shove both if I am running good

...otherwise folding first and second probably shoving (only 11bb?), I shove both with antes +200 chips. That are not my stakes I don't know really.

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05-27-2008 , 03:17 PM

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darinvg

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Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2,569

Agree, fold 1 and push 2 due to stack size. Might limp lead 1.

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05-27-2008 , 03:40 PM

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Luisgallo

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Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,876

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

I probably fold 1 and shove 2. Even if 1 is slightly +ev, I'd rather save my FE for later when I need it a lot more vs. bigstack (IE - don't use up all my shoves now).

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