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10-24-2008 , 07:41 PM

darinvg

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Villain had very LAG stats.

Poker Stars $105+$9 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (SB): t1470
Hoffs28 (BB): t1360
Miklan300 (UTG): t1470
grinder381 (UTG+1): t2480
maex21 (UTG+2): t770
buddahfaith (MP1): t1240
ricestud (MP2): t1515
Alfonsotexas (CO): t1445
amlove (BTN): t1750

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is SB with Q

2 folds, maex21 calls t30, buddahfaith calls t30, 3 folds, Hero raises to t150, 2 folds, buddahfaith calls t120

Flop: (t360) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets t210, buddahfaith raises to t420, Hero folds

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10-24-2008 , 07:46 PM

sippin_criss

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I'd say standard, also limping is cool too but more likely to do that with AQo.

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10-24-2008 , 07:51 PM

mjcace

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Looks good, release, move on

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10-24-2008 , 07:56 PM

AMT

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I'm positive that you can justify variations of other lines, if that's what you were going for, but...still confirming standardness of OP. nh.

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10-24-2008 , 08:07 PM

unrealzeal

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I'm not in the 5x raise with AQs from the SB at low level camp. I need AK to make that move. Completing and looking for a c/r vs. lags is more profitable imo. I also do not mind a 3x pot juice raise.

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10-24-2008 , 08:23 PM

Little John

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i play it the same as well.

always good to remember how terrible people are so you have a huge advantage playing from position postflop if you get caller(s) .

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10-25-2008 , 12:52 AM

Dan.

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PF raise is spew.

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10-25-2008 , 01:46 AM

jcawley

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darin, in general i dont like to raise out of the SB here esp in the early levels where these raises will likely be called by people who have position on you. i also think that any raise out of the SB polarises your hand range to like JJ, QQ, KK, AA, AQ and AK, meaning you are probably going to be easy to read postflop by any half decent player in position. I think that balancing your limping range in this spot to include AQ and AK can help underrep your hand and actually get to stack off easier vs players who are limping QJ/KQ hands where you can stack off with them on blank Qxx Kxx boards etc.

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10-25-2008 , 01:55 AM

sippin_criss

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Originally Posted by Dan.

PF raise is spew.

sweet posts you've been making thx for the cool advice not.

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10-25-2008 , 02:32 AM

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rainbow57

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The fold seems standard, but to avoid tricky situations like this, avoid building the pot out of position...... at first i thought you were in position, in which case I raise like 3-4x. No sense getting into a big pot this early when you don't have a real hand yet....build it later

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10-25-2008 , 07:58 AM

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Oczkusss

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I wouldnt raise pre from the blinds...but I would put special attention to this table post flop b/c AQs is too good to not extract little more from lag.

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10-25-2008 , 08:22 AM

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bcpoker121

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I'm a newbie, but it seems too early to try to cbet here. He could literally have anything, including AJ or JJ. I think this is also a tournament situation decision. Since the blinds are low, it might not be wise to get into a big pot with two overcards. when he coudl already have the best hand.

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10-25-2008 , 08:46 AM

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Vorlautboy

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Originally Posted by sippin_criss

sweet posts you've been making thx for the cool advice [pause] not.

FmyP

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10-25-2008 , 09:27 AM

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Little John

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Originally Posted by Little John

i play it the same as well.

always good to remember how terrible people are so you have a huge advantage playing from position postflop if you get caller(s) .

oops, i thought you were button.

um, i may or may not raise pre, just depends on the limpers.

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10-25-2008 , 11:15 AM

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Hattifnatt

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compete preflop.

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10-25-2008 , 12:11 PM

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doodydota

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This move was standard for me for a long time.
I've just recently learned not to make every time.

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10-25-2008 , 12:16 PM

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kleath

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Originally Posted by Dan.

PF raise is spew.

lolll '08 sttf

sigh

Its fine darin you COULD just limp pre but depends on limpers and stuff

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10-25-2008 , 12:18 PM

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kleath

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Originally Posted by jcawley

I just want to point out any half decent player thats hand reading is likely set mining a pocket pair so his plan remains unchanged regardless of ur transparent range(which beats him anyway)

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10-25-2008 , 02:13 PM

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suzzer99

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I"m not nuts about a complete here because you have to play sooooo cautious OOP even if you do hit TPTK in a 4-way pot. 4-way is definitely my limit for AQ/AK calling vs. raising. The rest of the hand is standard.

I'd make a note about the min RR over c-bet though, and try to trap him with a weak-looking c-bet, or some time come over the top with overs like this if he keeps doing it.

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10-25-2008 , 10:42 PM

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Scotty_12

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

I"m not nuts about a complete here because you have to play sooooo cautious OOP even if you do hit TPTK in a 4-way pot. 4-way is definitely my limit for AQ/AK calling vs. raising. The rest of the hand is standard.

I'd make a note about the min RR over c-bet though, and try to trap him with a weak-looking c-bet, or some time come over the top with overs like this if he keeps doing it.

Agree x2 , but especially what i bolded

I think when you 3bet, to not follow through on the flop is usually pretty bad and it screams Ak/AQ and possibly jj. This type of flop is really easy for him to float a pair (or a set that he has, or AJ, KJ) which is the types of things lag opponents do, in this type of spot i woudl check - but maybe im doing this because i saw what happened - which is why you should just post what the action is that you are facing and not what happens after

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10-26-2008 , 12:06 AM

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AMT

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Originally Posted by scotty

which is why you should just post what the action is that you are facing and not what happens after

definitely agree with this. It has the potential to clout even very good players' thought processes, and can only really hurt the discussion more likely than help. I would edit it, but I'm not sure if Darin would want it just through his c-bet, or if he was asking how to respond to the small raise also? I'll leave it as is now, but it's a good idea for everyone to make note in the future that the posted action should literally stop dead right after the relevant action in question. It'll help keep discussion as clear and unbiased as possible.

Just my pennies imo.

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