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02-21-2011 , 01:45 PM

Okerchamp

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Full Tilt Poker $11 + $1 Rush On Demand No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t60/t120 Blinds - 9 players
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BTN: t2785 23.21 BBs
SB: t5190 43.25 BBs
Hero (BB): t8142 67.85 BBs
UTG: t4269 35.58 BBs
UTG+1: t3060 25.50 BBs
UTG+2: t3459 28.82 BBs
MP1: t1790 14.92 BBs
MP2: t6120 51 BBs
CO: t3930 32.75 BBs

Pre Flop: (t180) Hero is BB with T

4 folds, MP2 raises to t480, 3 folds, Hero?

random villain.

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02-21-2011 , 01:51 PM

Duke0424

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3bet/fold and then lead out most flops if he just flats

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02-21-2011 , 02:22 PM

llabwol

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standard call. 3bet/fold is v. bad.

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02-21-2011 , 03:38 PM

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standard call. 3bet/fold is v. bad.

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02-21-2011 , 04:27 PM

SenseiSingh

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just flat

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02-21-2011 , 05:50 PM

SkinnyStax

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Hood flatting. 3bet oop sucks so hard on almost all flops w/ TT.

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02-21-2011 , 09:16 PM

DanteA

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Originally Posted by SenseiSingh

just flat

Hard to play postflop if we dont hit set.

I prefer raise/fold.

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02-21-2011 , 09:21 PM

Fish_On_Tilt

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Originally Posted by DanteA

I prefer raise/fold.

We should save this move for when we hold 27o type hands - not for when we hold the fifth best starting hand in NLHE.

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02-21-2011 , 09:26 PM

DanteA

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We should save this move for when we hold 27o type hands - not for when we hold the fifth best starting hand in NLHE.

If we knew something about villain we can play it in other ways. We flat, one overcard on flop, he bets, we call...what to do?

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02-21-2011 , 09:32 PM

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Fish_On_Tilt

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If we knew something about villain we can play it in other ways. We flat, one overcard on flop, he bets, we call...what to do?

Uh, check?

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02-22-2011 , 02:09 AM

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SenseiSingh

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Hard to play postflop if we dont hit set.

I prefer raise/fold.

look at the stack sizes, you don't want to 3bet oop w anything less than QQ imo unless you have some sick read on villain. It shouldn't be that hard playing post flop with 50bb

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02-22-2011 , 02:25 AM

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def flat, why would you want to raise/fold?

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02-22-2011 , 02:38 AM

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def flat, why would you want to raise/fold?

Because we want him to fold the hands we crush and flops with one over are scary!

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02-22-2011 , 02:44 AM

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SenseiSingh

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Because we want him to fold the hands we crush and flops with one over are scary!

you want him to fold the hands we crush? why?

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02-22-2011 , 03:02 AM

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you want him to fold the hands we crush? why?

Sarcasm good sir.

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02-22-2011 , 03:20 AM

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SenseiSingh

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Sarcasm good sir.

gotcha

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02-22-2011 , 09:25 AM

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are there people getting so many premiums that they can completely waste tens by r/fing and not even feel bad about it? mbn

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02-22-2011 , 01:43 PM

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are there people getting so many premiums that they can completely waste tens by r/fing and not even feel bad about it? mbn

no. R/f TT is horrible tho which is why flatting is the best here. Despite how strong our hand is pre flop, its incredibly difficult to play profitably post oop on a board with any broadway card. Unfortunately were basically set mining our TT's right now since theyre arent many good value lines we can take with this oop this deep.

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02-22-2011 , 06:23 PM

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If we're basically set mining this and aren't comfortable playing a pot with an over, we should be folding pre.

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02-22-2011 , 06:58 PM

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If we're basically set mining this and aren't comfortable playing a pot with an over, we should be folding pre.

But we havent made it to the flop and obv most ppl here are competent enough to play this post including op.

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02-22-2011 , 07:00 PM

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I'm calling. I'm sick of people thinking that every time you're calling with a pair preflop its to "set-mine", especially with a pair as strong as tens. This train of thought is plain dumb in alot of cases such as OP's hand.

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02-22-2011 , 07:09 PM

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But we havent made it to the flop and obv most ppl here are competent enough to play this post including op.

I think you missed the point. But yeah, we're obv not just setmining with tens

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02-23-2011 , 02:38 AM

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If you decide to 3bet pre with TT (which is not at all BAD but on the lAg side), you better be ready to shove to a 4-bet, and shove most flops. Raise/fold advice is either a level or just wrong.

No reads I call and play poker. With some reads I could 3bet but for value, almost never with the intention of folding to a 4-bet or shove.

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02-23-2011 , 03:26 AM

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ok say you flat with the tt and flop comes q 8 7. do you leadout/fold to rr? do you check/call his cbet? what would you do on a flop like that and what are your intentions for later streets?

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02-23-2011 , 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sunhashin

ok say you flat with the tt and flop comes q 8 7. do you leadout/fold to rr? do you check/call his cbet? what would you do on a flop like that and what are your intentions for later streets?

ps: im asking this question for anyone to answer because these are spots i usually end up folding my tt with 1 over on the flop because i hate check calling with medium strength hands.

you could c/c flop with one over and peel a turn but most of the time c/f is ok on that board if you don't feel comfortable.

If you took the donking flop line then definitely fold to a re-raise.

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