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03-12-2012 , 05:11 PM

S.Grocott

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 99

First hand of the final table, does ICM make this a fold? I have no history with BTN/SB:

Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (3,500/7,000 blinds, 700 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12155042

MP1: 448,910 (64.1 bb)
MP2: 406,439 (58.1 bb)
Hero (MP3): 293,518 (41.9 bb)
CO: 326,496 (46.6 bb)
BTN: 373,545 (53.4 bb)
SB: 197,521 (28.2 bb)
BB: 238,388 (34.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A

2 folds, Hero raises to 14,000, CO folds, BTN raises to 28,000, SB raises to 196,821 and is all-in, 2 folds, BTN calls 168,821

Flop: (419,542) 7

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (419,542) 3

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (419,542) K

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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Very next hand, AK again. Using the information from the previous hand I just put it in assuming he's calling with almost anything:

Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (3,500/7,000 blinds, 700 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12155052

BTN: 444,010 (63.4 bb)
SB: 414,139 (59.2 bb)
Hero (BB): 278,118 (39.7 bb)
UTG+2: 325,096 (46.4 bb)
MP1: 594,866 (85 bb)
MP2: 328,981 (47 bb)
MP3: 426,802 (61 bb)
CO: 229,988 (32.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to 21,000, 5 folds, Hero raises to 277,418 and is all-in, MP1 calls 256,418

Flop: (563,936) 2

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (563,936) J

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (563,936) A

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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4th hand of the final table I get AK again. I almost folded pre - again - but he had a PFR of like 35 so I called.

Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (3,500/7,000 blinds, 700 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12155062

MP3: 442,610 (63.2 bb)
CO: 409,239 (58.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): 559,736 (80 bb)
SB: 281,696 (40.2 bb)
BB: 316,048 (45.1 bb)
UTG+2: 378,681 (54.1 bb)
MP1: 425,402 (60.8 bb)
MP2: 228,588 (32.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

3 folds, MP3 raises to 14,000, CO folds, Hero raises to 28,000, 2 folds, MP3 raises to 58,000, Hero calls 30,000

Flop: (132,100) A

(2 players)
MP3 bets 33,910, Hero raises to 110,000, MP3 raises to 383,910 and is all-in, Hero calls 273,910

Turn: (899,920) 9

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (899,920) 2

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Spoiler:

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Do I play these hands correctly?
I had very little info to go on from my HUD, I believe all the players involved were from the other table.
Any input would be appreciated.

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03-12-2012 , 07:01 PM

Town Knave

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,000

First hand is an easy call. BTN is likely 3betting wide due to pussy sizing, his stack size, and his position. You're facing a 28 BB shove from the blinds.

You're likely beating his range and if you lose you're still alive.

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03-12-2012 , 07:14 PM

Town Knave

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,000

Third hand is obviously a tough cooler- one you may have avoided with a better line. Consider your gay 3bet sizing- his 4bet is then relatively small, not as pot-committing as it would be, and doesn't define his range as well as a 4bet generally ought to.

Supposing you'd 3bet to a more respectable amount, like 40-50k, his 4bet is probably in the 120-150k range, and you could rightly consider dumping AK.

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03-13-2012 , 01:43 AM

sayakmitra

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 635

1. Definitely call the SB all in as you are acting before the BTN. BTN should 3b with wide range and you are ahead of SB's squeeze range by miles.

2. I would do the same.

3.

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Originally Posted by Town Knave

Supposing you'd 3bet to a more respectable amount, like 40-50k, his 4bet is probably in the 120-150k range, and you could rightly consider dumping AK.

THIS. your 3b sizing is terrible. unlucky otf as you caught A. most of the time you'll have best hand there.

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03-13-2012 , 11:28 AM

MeowImQh

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Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,346

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Originally Posted by S.Grocott

First hand of the final table, does ICM make this a fold? I have no history with BTN/SB:

2 folds, Hero raises to 14,000, CO folds, BTN raises to 28,000, SB raises to 196,821 and is all-in, 2 folds, BTN calls 168,821

Flop: (419,542) 7

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (419,542) 3

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (419,542) K

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Spoiler:

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Very next hand, AK again. Using the information from the previous hand I just put it in assuming he's calling with almost anything:

UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to 21,000, 5 folds, Hero raises to 277,418 and is all-in, MP1 calls 256,418

Flop: (563,936) 2

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (563,936) J

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (563,936) A

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Spoiler:

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4th hand of the final table I get AK again. I almost folded pre - again - but he had a PFR of like 35 so I called.

Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (3,500/7,000 blinds, 700 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12155062

MP3: 442,610 (63.2 bb)
CO: 409,239 (58.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): 559,736 (80 bb)
SB: 281,696 (40.2 bb)
BB: 316,048 (45.1 bb)
UTG+2: 378,681 (54.1 bb)
MP1: 425,402 (60.8 bb)
MP2: 228,588 (32.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

3 folds, MP3 raises to 14,000, CO folds, Hero raises to 28,000, 2 folds, MP3 raises to 58,000, Hero calls 30,000

Flop: (132,100) A

(2 players)
MP3 bets 33,910, Hero raises to 110,000, MP3 raises to 383,910 and is all-in, Hero calls 273,910

Turn: (899,920) 9

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (899,920) 2

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Spoiler:

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Do I play these hands correctly?
I had very little info to go on from my HUD, I believe all the players involved were from the other table.
Any input would be appreciated.

the third hand is pretty sick, im probably not folding otf, or pre.. cooler man,

but yes, make your 3bets bigger, id make is 31365/29365, and im getting it in too, unless he has been ultra tight which i doubt, wp

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04-01-2012 , 10:41 PM

Deadmau5

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Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 49

As a 3bet sizing comment, I would advise 3betting 2.5x in pos when 40bb+, when 70bb+ we can go to 2.75x-3x.
When OOP and same stack sizes I would be going 3x & when we are 3betting a stack of 30bb or so we can 3bet 2.25x ish with our air & value as they are going to be 4bet jamming mostly.
Usually try & give someone 4x back with a 4bet shove when 3betting as it gives them percieved FE.

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