Merge - $0+$0.00|<> NL - Holdem - 9 players
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MP+1: 40,815.00
CO: 24,489.00
BTN: 28,307.00
SB: 25,935.00
Hero (BB): 38,811.00
UTG: 77,369.00
UTG+1: 31,030.00
UTG+2: 44,792.00
MP: 73,695.00

MP+1 posts ante 100.00, CO posts ante 100.00, BTN posts ante 100.00, SB posts ante 100.00, Hero posts ante 100.00, UTG posts ante 100.00, UTG+1 posts ante 100.00, UTG+2 posts ante 100.00, MP posts ante 100.00, SB posts SB 500.00, Hero posts BB 1,000.00

Pre Flop: (pot: 2400.00) Hero has Ad 8d

fold, fold, UTG+2 raises to 2,000.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 1,500.00, Hero calls 1,000.00

Flop: (6900.00, 3 players) 4s 8c 7c
SB bets 1,000.00, Hero raises to 4,000.00, fold, SB calls 3,000.00

Turn: (14900.00, 2 players) Jd
SB bets 1,000.00, Hero raises to 6,000.00, SB calls 5,000.00

River: (26900.00, 2 players) 4d
SB bets 1,000.00, Hero calls 1,000.00




No reads, is this fine?

I probably just call the turn and fold to a large river bet. UTG+2 range here has to be mostly overs and sets after he calls your raise on the flop. I see him having 99+ and maybe some AKc/AQc

this hand history makes my eyes hurt a little. might fold pre

Call flop w/ OR yet to act.

Lol. As played, when it`s so much face up raising turn is good, but then wtf raise it bigger.

i like the river as played and the raise otf. Not sure about the turn

Proud, how can it be that bad? OR is yet to act.... what would you do if he 3bets? Basic mistake...

Why turning TPTK in a bluff?

I'm not bluffing. We have TPTK and we're 3way with a low board and a flush draw. If he 3bets i'd like some reads but i guess i have to fold against most people that would mostly 3bet with overpairs.

We don`t have FD.

And if we would have I`d still prefer to call to keep OR in or let him 3b us and then I`d 4b-shove.

Can you see r/f-ing TPTK has no merits? esp 3 way OOP in a donk style. You`re getting raised by OR often and you only fold out all his air/sdv/ weak draws he could proceed with or overs he could spazz with, putting both of you on draws.

No i mean there is a flush draw on the board so it's an additional reason for betting.

It's true that OR won't leave the hand easily. But a) i can't let two people draw me out b)agaisnt 2 people any T+ turn is going to prevent me from betting on later streets c)That's why i'd like some reads. If i know that he won't ever leave the flop because he feels his AQ "owns" this pot then i adjust.

pre is a problem imo. Generally just fold.

What? We're going to fold a NFD with a not bad kicker closing the action pre getting 5.9:1?

We're 38 BB deep, we should definitely be calling here even if we're so afraid of situations like this that we c/f this flop.

we're playing <38bb eff. I don't know if we can call this a NFD yet given that our chances of making one are 6%. We're oop against OR, we're well behind his range, and we have rio (doesn't even matter how good you are; they're there). Folding is extremely reasonable.

Pres ok I guess as long as you understand implications of RIO

Prob just clikcing call post and taking it to showdown.

And wtf ? we dont have any sort of FD post ?

I feel like turn raise is bad because his flop call value range is less toward draws than hands that beat us. But that is just my opinion. Here is where I had him pre 22-JJ, A2s+, TJs-KQs and JKs. This is his value range from my point of view. Flop lead is fishy, but his call of our raise narrows his range. I now have it as 44-JJ, All his Axcc, all his A5-A6, his A8, and his over clubs. Once that range move to the turn it is 2:1 hands that crush us. Feel free to comment on my range, I really want to get better at this.

i dont think he does

pre is ok but dangerous.
Post i would just call flop and evaluate future streets.

Ahhh.. wat?

We flop the NFD 11% of the time, and when we do we have a good stack size to take very strong +EV lines that fishy opponents tend to play extra bad against.

It's not uncommon to get it in vs. worse FD's on a lot of flops, very rare to be worse than a 60/40 dog, and we will get folds from a lot of hands that have good equity against us.

Yeah I'm always calling pre we have good relative position on the flop and a great stack to take some pretty strong lines

betting tp of 8's tho, is not one of those strong lines IMO

imo just calling the flop lead is bad but r/f seems meh as well, r/c is spew, we are crushed or ~55:45 so often.
it's just one of those hands that flop horribly and even if you flop something its so hard to get value from worse hands.
so i'd fold or 3b pre. readless fold.
would def see a flop with J9s/87o/etc.
and i'd def call suited.

folding flop is no option then???

i just mean only because we flopped a pair, we hate every turn card and i think folding super marginal holdings cant be that big of a leak

is starting every response with some variation of "what?" supposed to make me look a dumbass?

right now we have a 6% chance of making a flush (and sometimes it'll require runners in which case we'll likely be forced out before the turn). It's great that we're flopping a draw 1/9 times and I agree we'll be in a great spot when we do, but imo our RIO and bad position (against OR) is more meaningful.

Flatting vs folding (or 3betting) is close either way. If you're not a very competent player I think you should always fold here. And I'm saying that even a reg is probably better off mucking this.

I don't start every post with "what," just those two.

It's not supposed to make you look like a dumbass, it's supposed to convey my surprise, given your generally prolific and solid advice, at the pusillanimous line you advocate here.

RIO comes into play if we get stupid and play big pots OOP multiway with mediocre paid/top kicker or top pair/mediocre kicker. Yes, it takes some modicum of player skill to avoid those spots, but aren't we trying to be good players here?

To the extent that our hand selection here creates RIO problems, I think it will be villains suffering more from them than hero as long as we don't get stupid with pairs multiway.

You turned your hand into a bluff twice.

I like the flop raise v. a min donk bet. Once it gets called I shut down.