[converted_hand][hand_history]Full Tilt, $11 Buy-in (4,000/8,000 blinds, 1,000 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
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SB: 17,772 (2.2 bb)
BB: 257,478 (32.2 bb)
CO: 17,254 (2.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): 69,496 (8.7 bb)

Preflop: (4,000) Hero is BTN with x x
2 folds, Hero?

What do I need to shove here?

540$
336$
251$
197$

payouts???

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the think about icm implications and how i see them is that if this is a normal tourney that you grind on daily basis, putting hundreds if not thousands of them a month like a multitablesit; is that you should generally play to win and not overlook those payjumps.

if it is a tourney that you play once a while for whatever reason (larger buy-in, only runs once a month, whatever...) is that you should look more carefully about icm implications.

that said, i see 2 fold? how?

again, 4-handed this is a spot where SB will fold almost all his range but BB is the chipleader and even if he calls and loose, he will still be leader confortably, so i would push something like 55+, Jto+, Ax.

Will BB snap with Q10o? Chances of him calling with 76s to knock you out? Its FT, you must have some read on him. D33Ps range looks good... but why 55+ and not 22+? Seems like they are basically the same if he is calling

they are and you would want more pairs in your range than JT types. reads are really important here, but pretty tight cant be too wrong.

and icm def plays a part here regardless of how much volume you put in

yeah it really depends on how BB views you, whether hes tight or not. allll gameflow..im shoving Kx+, Q7+, 22+ and JTs+

ChipEV it´s a very clear any2 shove.

With ICM considerations it should be something like 99+ and AK.

I fold 99 and TT if you can trust BB to call the shorties ATC, this is read dependent

I have no clue which of the posts itt are levels.

http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sn...6=&s7=&s8=&s9=

If you think the BB is calling wider than equilibrium, then you have to tighten your shove range.

atc might be good

I'm pushing almost everything.

We have less then 9bb's and we don't know how many chances we are going to get to open push.

have you noticed the two 2bb stacks or?

Im thinking JJ+, AQ+. Folding until 1 or 2 bust is just so much easier than shipping it with 77 here, getting into a flip with the chipleader, busting and feeling like an idiot.

Edit: Wiz with a tightish range for BB and loose for SB says you can push 55+, A8o+, A4s+, KJs, KTs, QJs here. Much wider than I expected. Even with a loose BB calling any A, most broadways, any pair you can still push 77+, AT+, A9s+

With the correct ICM/payout settings?

I think OP is saying he has a pocket pair. Two players have an M of 1 so our Hero can easily fold up to the $251 payout spot by just sitting out for an orbit.

The only scenario that would really change his position is getting called by the BB. Winning the pot as is, or getting called by SB and either winning or losing doesn't change his equity much.

Our Hero has $350 in $equity right now, doubling through the big stack would take him to about $400, but getting busted by the BB costs him $160 so he needs a hand that is better than 3:1 against a range of top 33%.

All said I think the correct answer is QQ+, but I might even want to fold QQ.

I would shove about 10.0%, 55+ A9s+ ATo+ KQs. BB may call fairly light, and CO is very likely to be out soon.

with your ICM number, assuming BB call with 30% range, my calc show our shoving range is 88+,AJs+,KQs,AKo.

my guess of 10% in previous reply is incorrect.

Limp ldo.

shoving ATC or even close to it is absurd with these stacksizes

not deep enough to limp, its shove/fold and i guess i'd fold small pairs, weak aces, weak broadways who dont have enough Equity when called.

Finally!

this thread is weird

Do people get this???

http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sn...6=&s7=&s8=&s9=

BTN should shove 19.6%, 33+ A2s+ A7o+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ JTs, BB is calling a BTN shove with 12.4%, 33+ A8s+ A9o+ KJs+.

This is the Nash equilibrium solution. We now have to ask ourselves, is the BB tighter or looser than equilibrium. Based on that answer, we adjust our range from the equilibrium pushing range.

There are only 1 fold, my mistake sorry

Its pretty obvious he folded in game and SB did something, so he just deleted the parts after the folds..I don't get how multiple people are having problems understanding that..