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01-25-2012 , 11:55 PM

gregz41

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Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (600/1,200 blinds, 125 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11714802

CO: 49,492 (41.2 bb)
BTN: 36,916 (30.8 bb)
SB: 26,593 (22.2 bb)
BB: 19,848 (16.5 bb)
Hero (UTG+1): 27,109 (22.6 bb)
UTG+2: 77,411 (64.5 bb)
MP1: 55,508 (46.3 bb)
MP2: 77,869 (64.9 bb)
MP3: 22,473 (18.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K

Hero raises to 2,640, 2 folds, MP2 calls 2,640, 4 folds, BB calls 1,440

Flop: (9,645) 5

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets 4,918, BB folds, Hero calls 4,918

Turn: (19,481) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets 8,182, Hero...

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I know the open is bad, but table is very tight and passive. Get flatted by a nit 11/8. Am I right in thinking flop isn't a cbet?

SPR is 1:1 OTT

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01-26-2012 , 12:15 AM

CaliStyle

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I don't have a problem with the open so much. Bet flop

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01-26-2012 , 12:21 AM

DarcyM

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would we bet/fold vs a bb check raise or a raise from mp2?

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01-26-2012 , 12:23 AM

CaliStyle

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Originally Posted by DarcyM

would we bet/fold vs a bb check raise or a raise from mp2?

can't take standard lines in poker, depends on read we have on villains

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01-26-2012 , 01:06 AM

Keeper1125

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b/decide flop

think i fold turn as played

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01-26-2012 , 02:08 AM

lissi stinkt

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Instafold turn obv
Flop is a standard bet/fold for me to get value from midpairs from mp2 but mostpy the bb

As played peeling once is prob ok bug instafold turn

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01-26-2012 , 02:21 AM

MartinGuthOBV

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+1 to keeper

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01-26-2012 , 05:54 AM

The_Stro_Sho

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Originally Posted by lissi stinkt

Flop is a standard bet/fold

so you open KJo with 23 BBs and you b/f a J75 flop in the 11c where everyone is just beyond terrible ? Then it just has to be a snap fold pre

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01-26-2012 , 06:54 AM

streetwalkincheeta

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bet bet once you open, get called by JT, J8, 33 etc.

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01-26-2012 , 07:01 AM

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snowboard789

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Originally Posted by The_Stro_Sho

so you open KJo with 23 BBs and you b/f a J75 flop in the 11c where everyone is just beyond terrible ? Then it just has to be a snap fold pre

+1

whats the purpose of opening a hand , hitting top pair with 22bb spr1 and folding????

if u wanna take this line you can open 62o from utg and check/fold everything unless u hit FH

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01-26-2012 , 08:14 AM

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fivetypes

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B/f flop is horrible. Just b/c.

As played id c/jam flop.

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01-26-2012 , 08:53 AM

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TheSadClown

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Originally Posted by fivetypes

B/f flop is horrible. Just b/c.

As played id c/jam flop.

Agree

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01-26-2012 , 09:28 AM

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Xhisorzz1

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bet flop
bet turn

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01-26-2012 , 09:28 AM

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Xhisorzz1

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(error)

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01-26-2012 , 10:11 AM

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lissi stinkt

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comone some 11/8 dude is flatting our open from ep and than raising our cbet on j75
you rlly think we are ahead of his ingettingrange or have enough equity to get it in with not that much dead money?
if flatter is random dude we obv get it in but against a random nit

he has sometimes midpairs, sometimes hands like ak aq aj kq and sometimes high pairs

against the part of above range that raises flop we are crushed against

the play is obv superexploitable but i just give a **** about that bcs noone will exploit that

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01-26-2012 , 10:26 AM

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Yeh I didnt read the OP properly. If you have a good read (500+ hands at least) b/f is fine. Some players will literally never get out of line.

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01-26-2012 , 10:33 AM

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The_Stro_Sho

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didnt read the 11/8 part as well but I bet its the std 40 hands bs read. No way Im folding against the majority of players in the 11c

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01-26-2012 , 12:07 PM

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gregz41

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was over a hundred hands on the villain

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01-26-2012 , 03:25 PM

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Keeper1125

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you guys seriously overestimate the importance of sample size.

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01-26-2012 , 04:01 PM

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fivetypes

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Are you saying it isnt important

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01-26-2012 , 05:42 PM

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frogmaze

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why are we raising preflop with KJoff, spiking top pair, under repping our hand, and in return villan bets 2 streets, and u fold... plz dont play KJ off OOP plz, for this hand as a great example why

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01-26-2012 , 08:43 PM

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gregz41

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Originally Posted by fivetypes

Yeh I didnt read the OP properly. If you have a good read (500+ hands at least) b/f is fine. Some players will literally never get out of line.

b/f to c/f turn if 11/8 calls the flop?

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Originally Posted by frogmaze

why are we raising preflop with KJoff, spiking top pair, under repping our hand, and in return villan bets 2 streets, and u fold... plz dont play KJ off OOP plz, for this hand as a great example why

Table was tight and passive

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01-26-2012 , 08:50 PM

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Alwaysgobig9

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How often are people flatting QQ+ pre in 10 cubed???

Check/shove flop or c/s turn AJ and 77 are most likely we lose 2 otf but he pots it

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01-27-2012 , 04:54 AM

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Pardyallthetime

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hate the check call otf, easy bet.

U said table was passive so open pre is fine I suppose.

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01-27-2012 , 05:17 AM

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Finnera

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+1 to c/s flop

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