8 left in the tourney. We are pretty deep. Thoughts on all streets are welcome. Villain is sold Tag.

Bet small, like 1/3 on flop and don't stop pressing the call button when raised?
Flat Pre? Is this hand ICM suicide?

1st - 3.2k
2nd - 2.3 k
.........
8th - $378

HH Below

amazingly stupid spot. only thing that could be done differently is to fold to v's flop 3bet. Would he 3bet bluff here, prolly not? Still, since board is wet, its not possible in practise. I do not think it matters do we call or 4bet since s2p ratio is small and chips go in the middle basically 95% of the time anyway. sucks bro.

Idk about ICM but you are really deepstacked at a FT and I allways feel owned when I go broke with TPTK this dep against a flopped two pair or set.

Pre and Cbet sizing is ok, I even would go a tad bigger OTF bc. you can get only get two streets of value fro KQ. This flop hits your range a lot and when he c/r you a read would be nice. He represents a really narrow value range bc. I doubt a solid Tag will call pre with 76 and he never will c/r you with a K, but some Tags do this with the NFD to try to push you off TT-QQ. When he 4bets you again, esp. with this sizing, you know that you are beaten (unless you think he is a total tool or the sickest player on earth).

flat pre 70bb deep agains utg tag

Is this your general line against an EP tag or are you just doing this for ICM reasons?

3 bet sizing pre is a little high for my liking. Id make it like 43000 in position and around 55000 oop. Id prob flat his raise on the flop and let him to continue to bluff the turn if thats what he's doing. Plus if he's on a draw if a blank hits turn we can prob get him off it, therefore only letting him see 1 card instead of 2. Once the 7 hits the turn I'm probably jamming over his turn bet.

A little high? If anything it is on the small side this deep. I'm never making it 43,000 here. Slightly under 70bb and making it slightly under 2.5x has got to be on the smaller side given effective stacks

why is that? dont think id ever make it more than 50k....

Serious question, do you not understand effective stack sizes? Maybe I am missing something but it seems people just like to click buttons because they see other people do it. If this was a hand where you had 35-40BB's sure you 2.1-2.2x sizing makes much more sense especially if you are using the same sizing with your re-steals. The deeper effective stacks are the bigger opens and 3-bets need to become so that when we make hands or have made hands we can get more value out of these hands post because the pot will be bigger. Why do you think many good players make over 3x (3bets) in cash games 100bb deep? Do you think that is just some random number they choose?

I don't see a 'solid tag' 4b spazzing with worse otf without a dynamic so I'd just call flop c/r and go from there

I would def just call flop c/r, if you raise it's incredibly strong. Prob never fold if draws brick, fold some street if they get there (like fold turn on 5d or Td and call turn fold river on some cards that bring only some draws

this,

I'm convinced people don't know anything about how to size their 3 bets well after reading this thread. Hero sized it ok, I'd go a tad bigger like 61111

i'd agree with this unless someone has a convincing argument otherwise on the sizing or why I should just be flatting due to ICM (which I think might have more merit than we are giving it being IP and all with 8 left and a pretty nice stack)

I thought more about this hand and think that given stack sizes on the table and with a big edge on this particular table I should just be flatting here pre. Getting it in pre vs most 4-bet ranges with stacks is not going to be great anyway.

You said TAG, but what were his stats?

I'd probably flat pre. Never doing that well against the get-it-in range of this type of opponent.

As played, flat the c/r.

yeah I'd flat pre + call>3b flop