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10-17-2010 , 06:44 PM

badabamboozle

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Party Poker $11 USD Buy-in No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 8 players - View hand 987739
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MP1: t2480 12.40 BBs
MP2: t4950 24.75 BBs
CO: t2140 10.70 BBs
Hero (BTN): t1680 8.40 BBs
SB: t3840 19.20 BBs
BB: t1300 6.50 BBs
UTG: t1830 9.15 BBs
UTG+1: t1780 8.90 BBs

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BTN with A

UTG calls t200, 4 folds, Hero raises to t700, 2 folds, UTG calls t700

Flop: (t1700) K

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t1700) K

(2 players)
UTG bets t1130 all in Hero calls t980 all in

Okay the check on the flop looks pretty bad but if I ship it in I would let him get away with 99+ or AQ and I think most of these Hands will push the turn?
Villain was tight from what I have seen over a small samplesize.

What do you think?

badabamboozle

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10-17-2010 , 06:50 PM

Monkey Banana

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Not much wrong with your idea because rare hands excepted, he's only going to have two outs against you. Pity he hit one of them.

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10-17-2010 , 07:54 PM

epix-

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i dont like the check, i would bet the flop to keep up constant pressure. at the turn villain is commited as we are, king is likely one of his cards but not the only hand he could do this with. pukecall turn, hoping for no king.

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10-17-2010 , 07:57 PM

Monkey Banana

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Why would you want to keep up pressure? You don't want him to fold.

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10-17-2010 , 08:59 PM

badabamboozle

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@ epix
Against a king we would get it in anyway on the flop right?
So we get value only from his Kx hands if we shove the flop.

And about keeping up constant pressure..you said it yourself that we are both commited so no pressure needed here i guess^^

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10-17-2010 , 09:05 PM

Checkov

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OP raise instead of shove screams to me of a big hand. But then again at $11 perhaps opponents are not noticing. How many are shoving AA here for deception to rep AK?

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10-17-2010 , 09:23 PM

badabamboozle

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There are only a few decent players at the $11 at party so pretty much everyone is bad and won't notice.
Against a reg I push of course

But a reg wouldn't limp there..

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10-18-2010 , 03:07 AM

pushy26

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I still shove flop because so many fish still stack-off here with small pps. You might have AQ or AJ in their fishy little eyes.

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10-19-2010 , 01:21 PM

mizerja

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I tend to push my whole range pre and so regs cant get a read...

as played...I like to check back the flop to induce a bluff from small pair, some random hand or some Kx that might fold to a flop shove

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10-19-2010 , 01:34 PM

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Lils37

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I personally like the check on the flop, look at it this way if he has a K he wouldn't fold the flop to a bet and he is shoving pretty much any turn if its checked. So you were always going to lose the hand if he had a K.

Obviously so many hands just take a stab at the pot on the turn so i like the play.

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10-19-2010 , 01:44 PM

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Hirle

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pre: I just shove, even to a random raising in this place where loads of people might shove might look fishy. But given a certain type of bad random (who likes seeing flops waaaaay to much) I can see this being good. but still anyone with half a brain knows you have KK+ here, might prevent light reshoves from the blinds.

flop: if he has any piece he is getting it in anyway, so if he does, it doesn't matter what you do. Checking might induce a bluff if he's spewy. like.

Turn: uhm, yeah, call obv.

If he shows up with a king you would have lost anyway, so it only bad for your red line, not much else...

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10-19-2010 , 08:08 PM

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Monkey Banana

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Hirle, it's true that he will get it in with anything that hit the flop and a few things that didn't, but there's no harm letting him make something on the turn with hands that didn't. You give him six chances to hit something, five to make two pair if he has KQ/Q7s or whatever, and two to improve a pair. There's no reasonable draw so I think it's okay to do it here.

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10-19-2010 , 09:19 PM

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Hirle

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Definitely, thats a good extra reason to check the flop. (I agree with the line)

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10-19-2010 , 10:06 PM

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Monkey Banana

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Ah okay, yes, I guess you were

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