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02-02-2014 , 04:57 AM
Is this a snap fold? It got me thinking because how many 9's are in his opening range in EP besides pocket 9's ?

How often do you think villian bluffs this river ? He is from Russia FWIW

I bet small on the river to get hero called by single / 2 pairs as obviously isnt calling a river bomb without a 9 / raising me

I guess he could be leveling me because i bet small on the river he thinks im bluffing ?

PokerStars - $10+$1|25/50 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 5,849 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 27)
MP+1: 2,380 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
CO: 3,675 (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 9)
BTN: 2,775 (VPIP: 6.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
SB: 4,660 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 27)
Hero (BB): 3,745
UTG: 3,262 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
UTG+1: 1,779 (VPIP: 57.69, PFR: 3.85, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
UTG+2: 2,200 (VPIP: 83.33, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 6)

SB posts SB 25, Hero posts BB 50

Pre Flop: (pot: 75) Hero has 7 7

fold, fold, fold, MP raises to 150, MP+1 calls 150, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 100

Flop: (475, 3 players) T 6 3
Hero checks, MP checks, MP+1 checks

Turn: (475, 3 players) 7
Hero bets 250, MP calls 250, fold

River: (975, 2 players) 8
Hero bets 450, MP raises to 1,150
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02-02-2014 , 12:58 PM
any reads on V? what's their playing style? do they usually have the goods otr?

all round i dont think im folding this yeah V may have a hand like a9s , or j9s, i think its rather unlikely V is holding a hand like a9s maybe even lower straights like 45s.

at the same time i actually don't see us beating much apart fron hands like top pair A10, k10s , q10s and thats if V gets carried away with these hands, or maybe the odd two pair type of hands which v has just caught ott or otr.

also its a mini raise , which can mean they have u pretty much crushed and are giving u good odds to call...which they are!

i think i'd call otr imo.
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02-02-2014 , 01:01 PM
grrr my laptop wont let me edit above , i just wanted to say it may be unlikely that V may hold a hand like a9s , unless u have seen them call raises pre with those sorta hands like ace rag.
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02-02-2014 , 04:01 PM
Russia´s national motto : ´´In gutshot we trust´´, i´ve seen it so many times LOL
Not an easy fold,but can´t see what do we beat otr ?
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02-02-2014 , 05:18 PM
I folded ingame . Looking back on the hand he can defiantly be opening 98s and 99 there... I don't think he has 97s and 109s would of bet the flop

I think I made a mistake in my bet sizings. I should of went 350 OTT and maybe 2/3 then fold to a river raise my line looks really weak
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02-02-2014 , 06:02 PM
lou cant litterally know what V is holding and put him on a exact holding like 9s , 109s, unless your daniel (the pro) lol , we have to look at how V has played their hand on all streets , each street has its story!

we can put v on a range of hands like j10s+ a8s+ 910s+ kqo 22+ , and the way its been played out i'd discard hands like 89s ( for the straight), since they prolly would of bet that otf unless of course u seen them slow play hands like sets/straights otf.

but yeah looking back i think we still can get value from weaker hands with our set here , so i'd make that value bet otr if raised its a fold depending on your opponent.
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02-02-2014 , 06:06 PM
we beat hands like k10s a10s , j10s , q10s , if u know villian gets carried away with tpwk , hero should be calling.
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02-03-2014 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by LazyLarry
I don't think he has 97s and 109s would of bet the flop
Depends on what level V is.
If i´m V i might c/c otf and see a turn card as cheap as possible(obv depends on what i think/info about players in hand/dyanmics etc.), cuz i don´t want to build a big pot holding tp no kicker and we don´t get 3 streets of value, idk
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02-03-2014 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by LazyLarry
I folded ingame . Looking back on the hand he can defiantly be opening 98s and 99 there... I don't think he has 97s and 109s would of bet the flop

I think I made a mistake in my bet sizings. I should of went 350 OTT and maybe 2/3 then fold to a river raise my line looks really weak
Yeah. Bigger on both streets and fold river. Villain is repping very thin, but i just dont see him bluffing here.
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02-04-2014 , 03:34 PM
lol outplay makes me laugh
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02-04-2014 , 05:44 PM
So we're saying that we're only b/c'ing the river with a 9? If villain knew this (not that he does after 27 hands), seems like a pretty good spot to raise with his whole turn continuing range.
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02-04-2014 , 07:13 PM
I think I'd c/c on the river. Mainly because villain should hardly ever have to or an overpair after checking along the flop. So his range to then flat a turn bet could be something like OCs, some slow played monsters, and hands like 99, 88, 97 which improved on that turn card. So basically when we check we give him a chance to bluff and with his monsters (some of which we beat) he's likely going to bet anyways. I don't think there's many hands villain can have I between these ranges to get value from.

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Originally Posted by OutPlayU27
Depends on what level V is.
If i´m V i might c/c otf and see a turn card as cheap as possible(obv depends on what i think/info about players in hand/dyanmics etc.), cuz i don´t want to build a big pot holding tp no kicker and we don´t get 3 streets of value, idk
Echoing what I said above, if we're villain I think on the flop we should nearly always be betting tp on this flop against two opponents. Both for value and protection.

Last edited by Dragons_Egg; 02-04-2014 at 07:14 PM. Reason: More comments
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02-05-2014 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Dragons_Egg
Echoing what I said above, if we're villain I think on the flop we should nearly always be betting tp on this flop against two opponents. Both for value and protection.
HU i´m cbetting 100% of time, against 2 players, if i´m last to act (IP)
But yeah, think cbet here it´s better for what you just said
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02-05-2014 , 11:20 AM
300 turn, ill bet any river/call that not 8/9 - other wish ill go for c/c
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02-05-2014 , 12:50 PM
I think bf is ok otr.
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