Vilain seems competent, got him 15/13 on 200 hands. No particuliar history with him. I was wondering... can I get away from this hand on the turn? I feel like his range here is KQs, JJ TT and the occasionnal slowplayed AA but he's probably raising flop/gii with AA. Check folding turn seems incredibly nitty with those stacks, but at the same time vs TT JJ we have like 20% equity left in the hand and I'm not even sure he's flatting KQ pre.

What do you guys think? Is this standard or am I being result oriented (will tell what he had after couple of posts, but it's not really hard to find lol)
Thanks

PokerStars - $10+$1|200/400 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: 12,036.00
MP+1: 6,279.00
LP: 28,320.00
CO: 6,748.00
BTN: 30,929.00
SB: 8,527.00
BB: 10,638.00
Hero (UTG): 10,260.00
UTG+1: 9,578.00

MP posts ante 50.00, MP+1 posts ante 50.00, LP posts ante 50.00, CO posts ante 50.00, BTN posts ante 50.00, SB posts ante 50.00, BB posts ante 50.00, Hero posts ante 50.00, UTG+1 posts ante 50.00, SB posts SB 200.00, BB posts BB 400.00

Pre Flop: (1050.00) Hero has Q K

Hero raises to 800.00, UTG+1 calls 800.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (2650.00, 2 players) 4 T K
Hero bets 1,327.00, UTG+1 calls 1,327.00

Turn: (5304.00, 2 players) J
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 2,000.00, Hero raises to 8,083.00 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 5,401.00 and is all-in

um c/c then c/f most rivs seems fine to me

tricky spot, I think as played is fine

I'm not sure if flops a cbet. Will post reasons later.

what happens when you check and he bets then? Don't you get in a guessing game spot

The range we give him really depends on how competent we think he is. His range should be very tight in this spot obviously. Like 99+ and aqss+. Maybe he flats ajss and other suited broadways like kqss and j10ss. The latter are less likely though. Anyway, on the flop I'm probably betting smallish and then shutting down to further action if unimproved. He can call our flop bet with jj-qq (if he slowplayed) and maybe like j10ss, kjss, and qjss if he decided to peel preflop with them. On the turn though, just about every possible hand that we were ahead of on the flop jumps ahead of us. If we continue on turn I think we should just be check calling his bet. Check jamming isnt getting him to fold any better hands, and very unlikely he is calling with worse.

When we bet this flop as the UTG raiser, the hands he calls with are quite tight. When we check we give him the chance to put bets in with his whole range on a board he probably wont perceive us as having a strong c/c range.

I think hands like JTs KJs and QJs are never in his range since there are so many reshove stacks behind and he should know he can never call profitably

let's say we c/c and he fires turn 1/2 pot... are we getting this in with the open ender and hope we have him beat?

Very tricky/annoying spot, but I honestly like the way you play it.

I also like gregz reasoning behind checking flop. But I am curious as to what we do on a J turn card or a X turn card. Is there a difference? Are we getting both, one or neither in?

would cbet this flop texture bigger and b/c turn (or ~800/gii flop to induce)

given the pre flatting range of a tight reg, i think we are in a wa/wb spot fairly often and we wont get three streets from worse anyway. i agree with greg, checking flop is decent.

Pretty much my thought on the hh

Bet small turn and give up after that. You getting called by QQ and some other hands (not a lot): few FDs and AJ mb + we have outs. If op RRs OTT or flats and pushes riv, he almost always has it.
Tough decision, mb c/f is better, but I chose ~2k/give up instead.

Checking flop will lead to some high variance call downs for sure. I think this is better than betting flop though. I'd c/c this flop and turn for sure.

I'd probably blindly cbet this flop given the texture but I very much like the idea of others for c/c and going from there.

I have been checking these flops for years and been getting 2+2 heat...Yes it creates tougher decisions but it widens their range and we can strap in and make good evaluations

I sometimes feel like my intuition is actually just SSnyc just shouting stuff to me across the Atlantic.

both on fringe of 2+2 accepted standard yawn lines

fun hand where we see the craziness of checking a TPGK hand and the 2+2 reactions:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...e-tpgk-925737/

yep c/c flop and prob c/f turn because his flatting range should be very strong there.. as played easy fold ott