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11-06-2015 , 02:34 PM

dr mcg

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I had recently played a hand with the villain where he had called my UTG raise and C-bet on a J7x board. Ended up checking the turn and river - I showed AK and he showed 99.

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Now, the hand in question:

Poker Stars, $100 Buy-in (1,000/2,000 blinds, 200 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37157712

BB: 60,523 (30.3 bb)
UTG: 12,569 (6.3 bb)
MP: 95,818 (47.9 bb)
CO: 25,883 (12.9 bb)
Hero (BTN): 42,219 (21.1 bb)
SB: 50,988 (25.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9

3 folds, Hero raises to 4,400, SB folds, BB raises to 12,000, [color="red"]Hero ???
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Maybe with 20bb this is an easy shove, but should i be tighter for ICM reasons?

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11-06-2015 , 03:17 PM

AmpeFund

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How wide have you been opening ? How wide do you think he is 3b here?

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11-06-2015 , 03:51 PM

AmpeFund

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This really depends on the capability of the BB here, because his sizing can really icm*** you, if he is capable of polarizing his 3b range here. w/o knowing these tendencies, and in a vacuum, it looks like 4b shoving JJ+, AK, AQs vclose, maybe some bway suited Ks. You can flat wider vs this sizing depending on villain, or you can 2b bigger, and min-open a more polarized range yourself.

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11-08-2015 , 08:22 PM

Dragons_Egg

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Assuming a degree of competency I never believe them in this spot and would jam most times.

It would help if you'd observed him opening in open spots, or making other aggressive plays in spots leading up to this hand. If he'd been abc or passive-ish up to this point then maybe an exploitive fold is best.

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11-11-2015 , 11:12 PM

gregz41

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I would consider open jamming to prevent this.

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11-11-2015 , 11:59 PM

sunnydunerz

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isn't 99 too strong even with icm considerations gregz? i like it and i'd jam now for sure

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11-12-2015 , 12:12 AM

user12345

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Originally Posted by gregz41

I would consider open jamming to prevent this.

doesn`t it hurt our min range?

Sunny posted while I was posting so yeah +1 to Eggs and him.

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11-12-2015 , 12:39 AM

ECJENSEN56

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I like it, shove now.

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11-12-2015 , 12:50 AM

Mr Rick

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Personally I fold here. But I only play live so take it with a grain of salt. Also I am an old white guy so they assume I am strong UTG.

There is a decent chance that villain will just call with AK/AQ rather than play OOP and possibly see a flop which he will miss 2/3 of the time... And pairs <=88 are likely to be calls to set mine.

Unless he is Blumenfield. Then shove. But still fear the fedora.

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11-12-2015 , 12:59 AM

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sn1perb0y

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I think button vs bb 3 bet range, he could be doing this with Axss, it also depends if you think he would 3 bet jam/flat or make a standard 3 bet if he has pocketpairs lower than yours?

Overall this is a player dependent spot, and in a 109$ ft, villain is most likely capable of 3 betting light here. I would most likely jam.

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11-13-2015 , 02:21 PM

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squintster

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Pay jumps seem flat enough to just rip this spot in after he 3b. Don't feel a ton of icm pressure from looking at this really.

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11-15-2015 , 02:53 PM

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BicycleRepairMan

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is BB gonna 3 bet 20% of his stack and then fold?the utg is 6.3 and co 12.9.
id rather fold,i like the shove pre suggestion though

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11-15-2015 , 03:37 PM

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Ihearthunder

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R/F 99 on that spot is awful unless blinds are sick nits. You must have a plan before playing the hand, either you shove or you r/c. Why complicate? You can almost never raise/fold there, imo. As played, I would shove because if he is good, he knows you are raise/calling here with your Top range (AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT (sometimes)). Even AK you will shove instead of raise/call in some spots. He has a few bluffs on his range by 3betting instead of shoving. All the suited connects, SPP and many broardways are a 3bshove, never a 3b fold. So Jampre>raise/call(shove) and almost never r/f that hand. **** ICM :P

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11-15-2015 , 04:16 PM

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cicakman

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Originally Posted by gregz41

I would consider open jamming to prevent this.

Glug glug

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11-19-2015 , 08:34 AM

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furo

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If he 3b smaller I think I 4bjam. We prolly flip against his range and I don't think he will fold often with this sizing. Disgusted fold

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