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10-02-2010 , 10:08 PM

jjyykk

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What's my play? V is 29/29 over 14 hands and I'm sure by his roi (good) he opens enough to where AJs is a reshove for value.

3b call seems the worst. Do you guys like a flat, reshove, or 3b/call 3b/f?

Poker Stars $100+$9 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t500/t1000 Blinds + t100 - 6 players - View hand 961335
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): t27341 M = 13.02
BB: t43875 M = 20.89
UTG: t27912 M = 13.29
MP: t29303 M = 13.95
CO: t23403 M = 11.14
BTN: t36874 M = 17.56

Pre Flop: (t2100) Hero is SB with J

UTG raises to t2500, 3 folds, Hero?,

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10-03-2010 , 02:41 AM

skater3598

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'shove for value' has to mean 'gets called by worse hands' right? but there's no way a good player raise/calls a worse hand here... i'm guessing folding >>> 3bet/call > call > shove

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10-03-2010 , 02:49 AM

Parts Unknown

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Originally Posted by skater3598

'shove for value' has to mean 'gets called by worse hands' right? but there's no way a good player raise/calls a worse hand here... i'm guessing folding >>> 3bet/call > call > shove

I think there are a lot of factors but I would never consider folding in 6m

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10-03-2010 , 02:53 AM

Sinking Ship

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I might be off the mark here, but my preferences would be:
3b/f > Call > Shoe > 3b/c > Fold

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10-03-2010 , 04:00 AM

unrealzeal

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3b/call or flat works 4 me

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10-03-2010 , 04:06 AM

aseHigh

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I'm not so sure about 3b/c but I guess vs described villain it can never be that bad.

I'd be either flatting or 3b/c prolly, one thing's for sure if I 3b I'm not folding

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10-03-2010 , 05:11 AM

Sinking Ship

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^^ Yeah I didn't really pay attention to stack sizes. 3b/f is pretty weak. On the other hand, shoving is too strong. So I think I prefer flatting to 3b/c.

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10-03-2010 , 05:14 AM

jchauvin

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Pretty sure you can profitably give him the pile but flatting sounds pretty cool too.

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10-03-2010 , 06:17 AM

Tightordie

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do you flat 27x against good player oop?
against him 3b/c>shove>flat>fold>3b/f

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10-03-2010 , 07:01 AM

#10

Sinking Ship

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Originally Posted by Tightordie

do you flat 27x against good player oop?
against him 3b/c>shove>flat>fold>3b/f

I'm confused. Are you claiming that we are too narrowly defining our range in villains eyes by flatting from the blinds?

I think with 29/29 stats (small sample, ok) we can keep a lot of the worse hands villain has (especially lower suited A's) in the hand by just flatting. Shoving seems like we're risking a lot of chips, 27BB's, and we may only be gaining when we get AQ to fold.

EDIT: I still like 3b/c the best, I'm just wondering if flatting is indeed worse than shoving.

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10-03-2010 , 08:14 AM

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Keeper1125

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I would flat if BB is capable of squeezing, you can maybe narrowly play this profitably even if that's not the case. I know it's only been 14 hands but I would also consider whether we've recently been active.

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10-03-2010 , 10:40 AM

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Tightordie

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Originally Posted by Sinking Ship

i think that if we flat we are playing to hit an ace or a J high flop, i don't think we have room to do something special like float oop or peel one etc

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10-03-2010 , 01:27 PM

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jfly

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If you or the table had 3bet him recently I really like 3b/call since you can enduce some light shoves. With no history flatting and 3b/calling seem close. Shoving I'm sure is profitable, but I hate it because he'll correctly assume you have no nut hands in your range. Don't fold

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10-03-2010 , 04:51 PM

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ssnyc

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Originally Posted by jchauvin

Pretty sure you can profitably give him the pile but flatting sounds pretty cool too.

kind of a gross spot...if we were on the button I would find flatting uber sexy...as played I like shove or 3 bet call into a go and go

6 max I doubt I want to fold

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10-03-2010 , 10:56 PM

#15

busto_soon

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3b/c

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10-03-2010 , 11:16 PM

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qazikm2000

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Originally Posted by Parts Unknown

I think there are a lot of factors but I would never consider folding in 6m

yeah this... I don't think I would 3bet I think I would just shove. It's not like given his UTG range and the depth you are at that he is going to 4b light or anything like that. So therefore I would just make your life easy and shove.

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10-04-2010 , 02:15 AM

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jjyykk

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Ok thanks guys. I was debating between 3b/call or shove. Then another guy flatted the raise so I just jammed it in and won.

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10-04-2010 , 02:56 AM

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gostatego

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why would 3 bet calling be worse tahn shoving?

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10-04-2010 , 08:35 AM

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skater3598

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didn't see this was 6max! 3b/c

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