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(108$) Simple AJ 5 handed hand (108$) Simple AJ 5 handed hand

06-27-2008 , 12:15 PM
UTG ($3,812)
CO ($5,883)
Hero ($5,230)
SB ($2,535)
BB ($2,540)

ANTES/BLINDS
SB posts blind ($150), BB posts blind ($300).


PRE-FLOP : Hero has A J
UTG folds, CO bets $700, HERO ?

So the guy was raising quite some hands, nothing crazy, but not so nitty that every hand he raises he calls reshove with, with this 700 raise being his standard and well he is pretty fishy, and has folded several times to a reraise of others already. Always after 2 folds you start to think he is going to call with all kinds of junk if you shove him and since I really dont need a call here spot became more tough then it should be.

I still shoved though.
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06-27-2008 , 12:57 PM
should be fine to shove
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06-27-2008 , 01:01 PM
How he got his chips can probably sway me here. At first glance i would probably let this go, but shove if it was btn or sb opening (as this guy will be doing since you have the luxury of position on him.) He has been reshoved and folded twice, and opening into two 8bb stacks that are pretty prime for reshoving, although we cant always give CO the benefit of thinking on that level. However, i think when being reshipped on before, there is a potential that he is opening tighter/calling raises wider. Add that to the fact he is bigstack which can loosen some players calling ranges (even against other bigstacks) and I will be a nit and say i like AQs, 99 here.

Also mike that girl in your picture looks mentally challenged. Is your yellow fever so bad that reduced mental capacities become irrelevant?
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06-27-2008 , 01:04 PM
This isn't simple. You really want to avoid the other big stack in this spot. More exact reads are important. Raise, call, and fold are all valid options.
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06-27-2008 , 01:05 PM
lol her head is just tilted, maybe I'll find a new picture.
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06-27-2008 , 01:15 PM
Pineapple i agree this spot isnt simple. More of a read woudl relaly help. If villian has cbet his raises earlier in the game i like a fold, with OPs read of 'nothing crazy.' If he has given up control of the pot postflop then flatting is ok. When you flat do you go broke on J/A high flops? Calling pf puts us closer to the utg stack size, which makes bubble play a little crappier for us in the event that one of the shortys gets knocked out by the bigstack, or by the other shortstack (in which case we would be 3rd going into the bubble as opposed to comfortably in second)

Vers its not just her head, her eyes also look a little crossed to me. Plus she is holding her head like kindergarden kids do while sitting in the circle during storytime.
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06-27-2008 , 01:25 PM
since he has already raised/folded a couple of times i would let this go. i think he will tighten his opening range a tad and open his calling range in this situation.
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06-27-2008 , 02:35 PM
Yea i was kidding about spot being simple, its not simple at all, because even after a day i still dunno what to do here. I guess that means folding would be better because we avoid a tough spot and probably arent losing much value.

As for calling i dno really, might be good too, but am i going to stackoff on A and J high boards? Can he bluff against other big stack 2 barrels? both questions i dont know answers on. I also dont think he understands bubble factors and would play chicken postflop with me, and that means that if pot begins to become bigger ill have no idea whether he has a strong hand and understands that he shouldnt be involved with me or he is just a donk overplaying marginal hand.
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06-27-2008 , 02:48 PM
Can't we call? Edit: Oh wait we're button nevermind. Meh, fold probably.
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06-27-2008 , 05:19 PM
The problem with a guy in front of you with a big stack is that he basically can hold you hostage with raises. And then you sooner or later have to take a stand with a crap hand.

I don't think you need to play back at him yet but can afford to let the smaller stacks feel the urge to make something happen first.
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06-27-2008 , 05:32 PM
I would tend to get away here...as stated by others I think he's gonna raise less/call more and that's very very bad at this point obv
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06-27-2008 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Q..
Yea i was kidding about spot being simple, its not simple at all, because even after a day i still dunno what to do here. I guess that means folding would be better because we avoid a tough spot and probably arent losing much value.

As for calling i dno really, might be good too, but am i going to stackoff on A and J high boards?
If I call preflop it's with the intention of calling/betting only one street. I'd never stack off with one pair or trip Aces. So if he's an aggrotard postflop then I wouldn't call of course, otherwise it can be a way to get some value without risking your stack.
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06-27-2008 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by pineapple888
If I call preflop it's with the intention of calling/betting only one street. I'd never stack off with one pair or trip Aces. So if he's an aggrotard postflop then I wouldn't call of course, otherwise it can be a way to get some value without risking your stack.
If you're not going to stack off w/ A-high or J-high flop then you should really be folding preflop. I'd stack off if I called.
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06-27-2008 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ryanghall
If you're not going to stack off w/ A-high or J-high flop then you should really be folding preflop. I'd stack off if I called.
It's read-dependent, like I said. I'm not calling unless I know I'm beat with one pair if Villain fires two barrels.

Calling then going broke seems like the worst choice to me, honestly. AJ is just not that good. He'd have to be some kind of huge aggrotard for me to do that.
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06-27-2008 , 10:12 PM
good analysis. don't test him again if he's already been pushed around twice in a row. he's got a better hand than you do very often here. i think he rarely folds here--he'll either call you with better or make a stubborn/tilt call with stupid live cards that you're racing against
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