Hey guys, i did a little bit of searching but couldnt find much outside of a guide on how to play these things. Im a mtt'r and want to start playing these to supplement my br when running like ass in mtt's, my question is what are the br requirements for these? Im sure they are different than regular stt? If this isnt the place for this question a mod can delete, thanks in advance for the help.

depends on your ROI and desired ROR

yes, they are different .. their payout structure is 20/20/20/20/20 where a normal stt is 50/30/20

this is the place, but you could have done some searching on the forums to easily find an answer to your questions

Thanks for the response.

My lifetime roi in mtt's is 42% over a 6500 game sample.

stt's i have a 3% roi over 7.4k gm sample

sorry for not searching more i did the best i could while multi tabling

fwiw i set aside 5k for the 100's, you think 50 bi is enough given the information i provided?

edit:

for any of you that are regs in 100's, is collusion still rampant with the chinese and russians in these?

all of what simplicity said, plus


If you have no idea of basic strategy then start at $1, not $100. Or at least not higher than $5. ROIs are microscopic even for the best players, and $100 regs will crush you

maybe search after playing then ??? You'll probably get better results when you can devote attention to it instead.

given what we can assume from your posts so far itt, probably not

I know the strategy pretty well. ive played a meaningless sample of 500 20's and 50's. squezed out a marginal roi while running well below ev. tbh i dont think im outclassed in them.

fair enough

could you elaborate on this point please, thanks. If it wasnt sarcasm what kind of br do you suggest, thanks.

well, yeah, OK, it was sarcasm. Basically I was hinting that if you couldn't even be bothered to search a forum that's full of useful information, to learn about a game you're considering risking 5k on, then you might struggle when edges in that game are very small and every fraction of a percent of equity is very valuable. Also, unless you were playing nosebleed stakes, your record of a 3% ROI over 7,400 STTs is a bit meh.

Erm what? Yes, your sample is meaningless, so unless you've also done huge amounts of background study for a game you didn't play then you probably only know the basics.


I've heard many decent regs discuss br much larger than 5k for these on this forum. I doubt that many of them run on just 5k. Even winning at all in the game is very impressive, many regs lose slightly and are only there for the rakeback. Plug some figures into an ROI simulator and see what happens to various bankrolls with the sort of microscopic ROIs which can be expected at this level.

Also, search function ftw, you've been here on 2+2 for quite a while now, you're not a forum beginner, so surely you've mastered that.

Lol yea, sounded a bit like sarcasm. I understand and agree about the small edges, i assure you my game is nothing like my forum posting ability I dont post here much but i do read a decent amount. as far as the stt roi it about 95% 114 turbos and a very small amount of 200's. def not nosebleeds, but satisfied i could grind some profit out.

I was just saying that im not a total nub in these cause you suggested i start with the $1's lol. Thanks for the info, much appreciated.

makes me wonder if these are worth it, idk if im interested in breaking even and becoming an fpp pro :/

then don't play sngs.

yea i get that, but people are saying the best grinders in these are barely breaking even. At the 114 turbos im not even close to the best grinders and can eek out profit. I guess it will be even less in DON's.

50 BI is actually on the low side when going for turbo DONs.

If this is Stars then you should probably play no higher then 20/50 for now and have a safe 100BI for 50s.

For comparison on Ongame where I play regularly Id go with even larger BR for turbo DONs. You can see many decent regs in 50s and up going on 10k nosedive and then eventually pulling up again.

This is RB PRO territory btw.

This post in informative and helpful, thanks.

I was under the assumption that these are significantly less in variance than regular stt's. I assumed wrong? I sharkscoped some of the good winning regs in the 100s and it seems they have a pretty low amount of variance in their graphs. I guess the only way ill know for sure is to try this for a couple months and try to put in 5k games. will report back with graphs. in b4 fish on a heater.

BTW, there were also issues recently in these with one huge collusion ring involving Chinese players, and suspicions about others possible collusion rings too. Although the accounts involved have been closed and banned, it is by no means certain yet whether the individuals behind the accounts in the Chinese ring, or the other suspected rings, have been closed out of the game. There is a huge thread about the collusion the Zoo. It's usually on the first page or two.

With 5k and limited experience, I'd play the 20s, and I'm only saying that because I think there is no way you'd start at the 10s. The 100s rarely have less than 6-7 regs in them, sometimes more, and most of them will crush you. 500 DoNs to them is like a day or 2.

If you crush the 10s-20s you can still move up. But you want to play DoNs when you're sick of MTTs but want to keep at pace for SNE or something, right? It is pretty easy to play 30 DoNs at a time once you figured out a decent way to tacle them, you'd be OK with sitting with 3.12k at the tables while grinding these? If yes I guess go ahead, but you were warned .

thanks for addressing this. I asked earlier whether or not these people were still around and I still do see people from wengzhou which concerns me. I followed the thread when it went down. Its insane to say the least and unfortunately these guys are unstoppable imo and will continue making accounts.

Hey,

I understand that starting with 20's might be optimal but i feel that i'd get bored easily. idk, maybe i should just start lower since that's the prevailing opinion. What makes these 100 don regs so special? The regs in the 114 turbos are tough but certainly not crushing everyone.

I want to play don's because i randomly have weeks where i cash in nothing and drop like 10k. just want something to sustain my br a little bit while i get doomswitched on every ft bubble. I dont particularly care about sne or anything. im a sn and pretty satisfied, dont feel like grinding a ton just to get there. lazy + school = no sne imo.

I appreciate everyone help, ill be back to either say lol 100 regs or lol at me i suck. either way garphs will be posted.

fwiw i cant play more than 20 of these at a time before i lose my mind.

if you're good, 5k is enough....... point is if you're good. lol

its not an issue of how much tbh. I can afford to set aside 200 bi if i really had to, but fact of the matter is i want to know what i can expect. I see a ridiculous amount of variance in the games i currently play so the point is to have something on the side that i can make some $ from. I know i can beat the $100 turbo stt's, regardless of how small the roi is. Anything above breakeven is good in my book especially over a large sample.

Only thing im failing to realize is what makes the 100don regs better than reg 114 turbo sng regs. Why are they all just breaking even?

as far as i consider, DON has the lowest variance in SNGs. see you around the table.

I don't know where it comes from that DONs are so variance free, the ROI is so brutally low, that big swings are really common. the regs aren't necessarily better but because the flat pay out structure there is less opportunity to press through your edge over the people you're to make money from. Fossilkid93 is doing a 50-100dollar don propbet over at bbv, maybe you should ask his thoughts for your plan(though he'll prolly say "start next month imo", actually be scared if he advices you to start now )

Thanks for the advice, ill PM you my sn so you know who i be

ive played fk and have been following his prop bet, hes def vg. Grear is done with these right? If you dont mind, what kind of swings are standard? ive had 30-40bi swings at regular stt's but not much worse than that. Hoping to see an improvement on that kind of variance in these.

The thing im encouraged about is that if you put in enough value the better players are def turning a good profit even with a 1-3% roi + rb being sn/sne.

I havent done the math, maybe someone knows off the top of their head, how many 100's in a year to get sne? just curious, thanks again everyone for the help.

It's unlikely that you'll encounter worse, but I've seen regs I had been playing with who were winning at first and then dropping almost 1k at the 10s. Can't vouch for their skill level obv but they were winning before.

For turbo DoNs, at the 100s, you need to play 45k for SNE or 125 a day. Non turbos is half of that, so 22.5k/62 a day. Do note that if you want to play a lot of tables, you're probably going have to mix in 50s to get the number of tables you want.

reading your latest posts has changed my opinion a bit though. Take a shot at them I guess, there recently was a general strategy guide for DoNs posted, start by reading that:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...d-vids-841555/

it doesn't teach you everything but should do fine getting you started.

DON´s variance are very low, and i think you can try it ...

The only problem with DON´s you get bored very fast, and you must put a lot of volume ...

But try it and then post here for us ... GL ....

thanks for doing the math, seems very doable if at some point i decide to go for sne. I bet the people you describe losing that much at 10's have some major leaks. I cant fathom that kind of run in something that pays half the field. variance is a bitch though so who knows.

I actually already read that guide and i disagree with some of it, but all in all some good info in there. thanks again man

ty, will do. I plan on starting friday cause i got some **** going on till then.

I am among the regs who think you are going to lose your ass, not a hater just saying..I would appreciate a sweat if you want to pm your sn