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07-25-2014 , 02:25 PM
CO is 13/12 over 78 hands, I think usually we should take this spot, but stats make me think twice..

No Limit Hold'em Tournament T500/T1,000, Ante 125
Buy-in: $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit

8 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T18,693)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 (T21,838)
MP - MP (T10,300)
MP2 - MP2 (T27,604)
CO - CO (T5,892)
BTN - Hero (T6,985)
SB - SB (T13,961)
BB - BB (T11,730)

Preflop: (T2,500, 8 players) Hero is BTN with 6 A
4 folds, CO raises to T5,767 (all-in), Hero
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07-25-2014 , 03:55 PM
fold
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07-25-2014 , 04:00 PM
Are sb and bb good, bad, tight etc.? Pretty sure I am shoving this.
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07-25-2014 , 04:22 PM
I think Im shoving.. The sample size is too short to assume he is a complete nit, if he was card dead for some time and didnt have some spots, his stats may be like this... Another thing is that there are sometimes that even nits have to move and his shoving range with gap on CO with 5BB is probably behind A6s..

May be close, but I dont know if you will get better spots with your stack size, so I would go with it.
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07-25-2014 , 04:30 PM
No issue with folding here.
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07-25-2014 , 05:01 PM
Folding Vs this type of V. Can see us being dominated by a bigger A.
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07-25-2014 , 05:51 PM
Thanks for the replies everyone.

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Originally Posted by Puzo
Are sb and bb good, bad, tight etc.? Pretty sure I am shoving this.
They seemed TAG nothing out of line, so pretty sure they're not horrible
12/17 'ish stats. I'm curious why this is relevant though. We're jamming button 100% if it folds to us anyway, so aren't we just worried about CO range? If they were good or bad, Tag or lag, how would that affect your decision?
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07-25-2014 , 06:45 PM
fold
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07-25-2014 , 07:16 PM
vs a range of [22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,A2o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo] your equity is 46,4%, that I think its a pretty fair tight open shove range of 5BB from the CO. Considering your stack and it being a turbo (when blinds go up your stack will be in a bad shape) I think you have to go with it
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07-25-2014 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BrazilianBatman
I think Im shoving.. The sample size is too short to assume he is a complete nit, if he was card dead for some time and didnt have some spots, his stats may be like this... Another thing is that there are sometimes that even nits have to move and his shoving range with gap on CO with 5BB is probably behind A6s..

May be close, but I dont know if you will get better spots with your stack size, so I would go with it.
Pretty much this. 13/12 types are often mass tabling and shoving wide when they get this short. Can't keep folding for much longer without being decimated by the blinds
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07-26-2014 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by HypurrrrNova
Thanks for the replies everyone.



They seemed TAG nothing out of line, so pretty sure they're not horrible
12/17 'ish stats. I'm curious why this is relevant though. We're jamming button 100% if it folds to us anyway, so aren't we just worried about CO range? If they were good or bad, Tag or lag, how would that affect your decision?
Its relevant, because when CO and BU gii this short, their overcalling ranges can be a lot different. Good players know how wide you are and come along with right hands. Bad players can either overcall too much or fold too much. This obv affects our decision. Allthough its hard to figure peoples overcalling ranges without solid samples.
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07-26-2014 , 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Puzo
Its relevant, because when CO and BU gii this short, their overcalling ranges can be a lot different. Good players know how wide you are and come along with right hands. Bad players can either overcall too much or fold too much. This obv affects our decision. Allthough its hard to figure peoples overcalling ranges without solid samples.
So if if sb and bb are calling too wide, then we're folding a6s so they don't over call with like kt or something? Do we really mind such a call being far out of the money? If they're playing too tight, I'd imagine this could be nothing but good for us folding out a7-at maybe. I mean if sb and bb have stronger than our range here so be it. Pretty much what we would say if co folded and we jammed and they woke up with a hand.

When were in this position, CO is most narrow so far. if we're beating him, what are we afraid of? What type of villain in the blinds would make our decision to jam a bad prospect if we've determined we have enough equity against tight CO with similar stack size of 5-7 bb?

Last edited by HypurrrrNova; 07-26-2014 at 03:19 AM.
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07-26-2014 , 06:06 AM
You're about 46% to win against even a 30% shoving range, and you're price "to call" the shove is 41%.

I guess with 7 BB's you need to go with it, but I'm not loving it.
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