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02-07-2010 , 03:57 PM

goborage

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Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 7 players
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UTG+1: t3495 M = 15.53
MP: t4840 M = 21.51
CO: t1300 M = 5.78
BTN: t3615 M = 16.07
SB: t1340 M = 5.96
BB: t1180 M = 5.24
Hero (UTG): t2590 M = 11.51

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is UTG with A

Hero raises to t400, UTG+1 calls t400, 5 folds

Flop: (t1025) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets t600, UTG+1 raises to t3095 all in, Hero folds

Villain is 17/8 over 100ish hands.

Did I stick too much money into this pot? I kinda question my B/F even though I'm quite certain I'm not good once raised.

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02-07-2010 , 03:59 PM

kaner333

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I think it's fine. The number of times that this flop misses his range and he doens't have an overpair is going to have him mucking most of the time to your CBet most likely. Unless of course he figured that this happened for you and decided to shove rather than float. He either had a good read, an overpair, or a jack.

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02-07-2010 , 04:00 PM

Jiggymike

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Either c/f the flop or get it in, probably get it in. Don't b/f with your stack.

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02-07-2010 , 04:11 PM

hyde

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I like limping here sometimes. You have a premium hand and three short stacks that might well try to steal your limp.
Even if you run into a bigger stack raising you, you can reraise all in. You want to see all five cards. And you want all your chips in pre with this hand.

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02-07-2010 , 04:16 PM

SlevinUp

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go and go or c/f

hyde, limping is terrible

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02-07-2010 , 04:16 PM

kaner333

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Originally Posted by hyde

Yea, I like this idea too. You want value and shoving pre from UTG isn't that bad of an idea and if you're going to make a normal sized raise and you don't get reraised, you kind of need to shove on any flop.

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02-07-2010 , 05:11 PM

hyde

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Originally Posted by SlevinUp

go and go or c/f

hyde, limping is terrible

I want all my chips in this pot. An UTG raise of any sort get too much respect and you will end up with only the blinds too often.
Given the stacks at the table you are likely to have one of the shorties try to push you off your limp more often than not. (I would)
As played he found a fold, I don't want to find a fold with this hand.

edit: I want all someone else's chips in this pot and think this might be the best way to get them there.

Last edited by hyde; 02-07-2010 at 05:23 PM.

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02-07-2010 , 05:15 PM

dereds

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bet call or check shove flop don't bet fold cos it's a bit of a disaster and I am never open limping

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02-08-2010 , 03:40 AM

cacoochaooo

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900 pre, shove flop. Playing AK AQ oop with 15-20bb is a nightmare

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02-08-2010 , 03:48 AM

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FTNryan

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As played I would never fold with almost half your stack in. Otherwise standard raise pre 2.5x-3x and shove flop.

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02-09-2010 , 05:00 AM

#11

furo

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Originally Posted by cacoochaooo

900 pre, shove flop. Playing AK AQ oop with 15-20bb is a nightmare

rather shove pre

400/Call vs shove seems both fine

if you dont get flatted wide but shoved on regularly 400/call is obv the best line
on donkish tables with AJ/ATs/KQ in their calling range just shove pre

as played bet/fold or c/f is both horrible. cbetting is totally fine here so is calling a shove

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02-09-2010 , 05:09 AM

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davethedave2

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Stack size is right for a c/shove on flop. Too deep to just open shove any flop.

b/f and cf are bad.

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02-09-2010 , 05:58 AM

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BrTarolg

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Very likely to c/r c/c /snap this if you were in a later position vs the button, but in your position it is a clear fold

No need to raise so much pre, otherwise raise enough pre to stackoff on any flop.

Never limp.

Can potentially check flop to eval on his play, if he makes a value bet then you are probably behind, if he checks behind and values the turn again you are probably behind

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02-09-2010 , 06:13 AM

#14

PageUp

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Originally Posted by SlevinUp

go and go or c/f

hyde, limping is terrible

what? limping is terrible but that's all I agree w/. I'm fine w/ b/f, c/shove, or b/f (if you bet less), but c/f sucks and you're clearly confused either about the hand history or about what a go and go is

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02-09-2010 , 09:16 AM

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ssnyc

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Originally Posted by dereds

bet call or check shove flop don't bet fold cos it's a bit of a disaster and I am never open limping

yahtzee...

100% never folding the flop and mostly bet calling

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02-09-2010 , 09:22 AM

#16

WOLVER1NE

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Yeap, glad I'm not the only one to try and argue a b\snapcall here.

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02-09-2010 , 10:54 AM

#17

unrealzeal

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as played call imo

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