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02-04-2010 , 03:16 PM
constanlty getting into these situations, is this right play?

Full Tilt Poker $1 + $0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 518006
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

MP2: t1670 M = 22.27
CO: t1425 M = 19
BTN: t1455 M = 19.40
SB: t1385 M = 18.47
BB: t1605 M = 21.40
UTG: t1635 M = 21.80
UTG+1: t1360 M = 18.13
Hero (UTG+2): t1170 M = 15.60
MP1: t1795 M = 23.93

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is UTG+2 with 9 9
UTG raises to t200, 1 fold, Hero raises to t350, 6 folds, UTG raises to t1635 all in, Hero calls t820 all in

Flop: (t2415) Q A 2

Turn: (t2415) T

River: (t2415) 4

Final Pot: t2415
UTG shows A K (a pair of Aces)
Hero shows 9 9 (a pair of Nines)
UTG wins t2415
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02-04-2010 , 03:19 PM
i only had 1170, to start. shud i have shoved pf? was the raise too small? i thought it was sized enough to isolate not enough to make me commited. was i commited? should i just have shoved, hindsight maybe..analyze please.
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02-04-2010 , 03:47 PM
Don't minraise. You want to give your opponent the hard choice(call his shove?) not let him shove on you.
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02-04-2010 , 03:47 PM
Pre flop you are shoving or folding. Three betting and especially min three betting is bad given your stack size as you noted.

At t50 and at UTG +2 you gotta let 99 go I'm afraid.
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02-04-2010 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by michty6
Pre flop you are shoving or folding. Three betting and especially min three betting is bad given your stack size as you noted.

At t50 and at UTG +2 you gotta let 99 go I'm afraid.
Wow,..ok..

t50 = bb? sorry new to converter..

so 50 bb & below with that stack size i need better then 99s to shove pf?
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02-04-2010 , 03:51 PM
I think shoving is fine but he obviously means 99 is not good enough in your position, if you'd be CO/BTN it was instafistpumpshove if it was folded to you
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02-04-2010 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfg
Don't minraise. You want to give your opponent the hard choice(call his shove?) not let him shove on you.
so 600 is not even an option correct,? & the BB/50, R-200, RR-350 was incorrect, and even a shove is dangerous bc of my tiny stack size.(most women would call it avg.) so fold is the only play?
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02-04-2010 , 06:48 PM
fold pre.
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02-04-2010 , 06:55 PM
it's not because your stack is too small, it's because it's too big. if you had 500 chips you should run to youtube real quick and look up a dance to do when you shove.
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02-05-2010 , 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by RolledUpaces0
(most women would call it avg.)
Lol.

Yeh as pointed out this is a crap spot as we are too deep stacked to raise 99 OOP since once we reraise we are committed to the pot and there are too many players left to act. However we are not deep enough to call with 99 and set mine to play a flop (which is almost always the case from t50 onwards).

This will often happen when you're UTG and facing a raise at t50. However, as pointed out, saying 'so I need better than 99 to reshove at t50?' is wrong because the only reason we're not reshoving is our position. If we were a few more spots round the table near the CO then we could shove this. HOWEVER then we need to consider UTG raiser - if they're playing really tight like 16/6 (prob quite rare at $1s) then it's actually a fold!

Cliff notes: SNGs are not so straight forward and you cant assign rules to all situations - keep posting and learning!
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02-05-2010 , 06:15 AM
99 is just a fold to any raise in almost all but certain positional situations at 25/50, and pretty much 50/100 too. Ok maybe you'd get away with it more at lower stakes but you're only getting into bad habits for moving up.
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