lol I know you meant walking but I laughed when I read it b/c it still sort of works...she'll have to sleep a week after ect...

now im going to have to go out of my way to check this chick out

Some good roofies?

I just dodged a massive bullet - I laid down QQ. I was slightly ahead preflop - three way all in against AQ and TT. I fold and Aces up took the hand on the turn. I was SO close to calling but it ended up being a good fold. I have been card dead so QQ was hard to let go but it was the right move.

all in was on the flop or pre?

That's a helluva fold!!

We are at 20, 12 cash. If I can cash twice like this it would surpass what I could have imagined with poker :-)

Busted out 17. Tired. I'll write a quick synopsis when I get home

That's called a lucky fold lol

From the 1pm wow how many people

I mixed up the action on the QQ hand because I wrote it quickly. I'll clarify when I get home

Even if you didn't cash, still a good run, nothing to be ashamed of...

I know that's the right attitude to take. But I'm not going to lie, I'm disappointed.

fawking traffic in Vegas. It's taking forever to get home

Finally got home and had some dinner. Today was 108 runners and they paid 12 - I busted out 17. I'm trying to keep a positive spin on it, but cashing twice back-to-back like that would have been amazing.

Here is the QQ hand that would have put me on the rail but I managed to get away from.

- I'm in the SB with QQ. I have roughly 40K in front of me and both Vs have me covered by a country mile
- All fold around to V1, in the HJ. He was mostly a solid player, but loose enough to make squeeze plays. So he shoves all-in. I put him on something like AK or AQ. I just knew it was more of a position play than anything else.
- All fold to the button who also shoves all-in. The button was new to the table but I generally had a good impression of his play and he had a massive stack - had both V1 and I covered.

So I tanked for a solid 3-4 minutes, even had the clock called and I ran down the entire time on the clock. My final line of thinking was that one (or both!) of them had to have an A or K (naked or otherwise) and I didn't want to go to a flop and run out the cards. I mean, I was basically going to be the third all-in and I don't think you should call with anything less than KK. So I folded.

V1 turned over AQ, just as I suspected! and V2 turned over TT.
Flop came down KxK, turn brought an A and a blank on the river. So I would have been ahead pre-flop, and ahead on the flop and killed on the river.

So what were the blinds at?

being results oriented, woulda been a good call just bad result ...to call or fold there really depends on the blinds and your stack relative to them...obviously you dont want to call 3rd in and lose tourney life if your likely positioned to cash but if not it could be best possibility to get a competitive stack...probably calling there and sulking a bit when i lose. as it turned out they had about (baring str/flsh) 5 outs between the 2 of them.

The tourney was deep at this point - this hand was immediately before the third break, so maybe 800/1600??? Something in that range.

I suppose its true that I'm being somewhat results oriented. But I can imagine no tighter starting hand range than being third-man all-in against the two large stacks at the table. I mean, what are you really thinking is good there? The first V1 I knew was somewhat loose but still gave him some credit. I didn't see V2 as just calling on air. If the stacks were shorter or if it was just one of them, I'm calling. But I'm up against two large stacks and I close out the action??? Has to be a tight, tight range, right?

yeah guess its borderline w/QQ...kind of expect to be flipping sometimes with them holding some of each others big Ace outs sometimes. like i said depends on blinds at the time and relative stack sizes, may be a case where you just cant pass up the triple up if you weigh it out that there's any significant chance your flipping. I would largely discount V1 so I need to know if V2 is doing this with mid pps and ace-paint in which case call; If V2 we just know is scary tight then we could argue a fold.

Looking at the stats KK and QQ are about same equity in that spot against villians AQ/TT. I think its results oriented. Long run -EV folding in that spot, imo.

Yes but all of that is only in hindsight. Look at the meta level of it - two massive stacks ahead of you shove. At least one AND/OR both have A AND/OR K - that's not a stretch to imagine that. Again, if you're the third all-in, your range has to be extremely tight. I really can't imagine any other scenario that requires the very top, top of your range - can you?

Whatever calcs you did are probably thrown off by the TT - that is almost an anamoly in that spot. Table chip leader pushes all-in, you're not thinking TT, right? But if you were to do the same calcs on various, multiplayer combos of A/K I'm sure that the EV would change.

You're only in serious trouble if someone has aces or kings and that late in the tournement you have to play that hand you were looking at 56% chance of tripling up I'll take those odds all day long. The only exception would be if I was on or close to the bubble.

I think that doing the Aria tournament a couple of times and knowing the "ebb & flow" of it helps with my hand. I know that it sounds like a lot, but 800/1600 is not the first level obv but it's not exactly "late" either. Part of my fold was that I could fold and still stay near the average chip stack. Sure, it wasn't a triple-up, but that didn't mean that those opportunities wouldn't present themselves again (i.e. a double up). I'm doing this from memory, but I think there were still about 30+ players in the field at this point? I think this tournament is longer than most people think - I've made 2 final tables, it's a solid 8+ hours to run deep in it.

As for Aces or Kings, yeah, that was certainly at the forefront of my thinking. I mean, when you see a big stack shove, only to be followed by the table chip leader also shove, the first thing that comes to your mind is NOT, "I bet he has pocket 10s!!!". I shouldn't have posted the hands so as to not spoil the results - but seriously, when you see those shoves, you're not thinking anything less than pocket paint. 80K isn't going to (shouldn't!) push on a hand like that against another big stack.

Honestly knowing how these tournaments go I can see the fold, bc when blinds get nasty big you can win the thing entirely on fold equity so why flip vs 2? I made a similar fold w/AK to an all in when I bet-folded pre, consensus seems to be (in a bubble) I should have called.

Do remember though that this: would be an excellent reason to call since they would be sharing outs on the overs to your QQ

I can find fold w/QQ here with 40k @800-1600 read dependent.

I've been cooped up ALL day doing nothing but my statistics homework. I love the class but, damn, these homeworks are involved! It's only 5 questions . . . but each one has multiple parts and then there's sub-parts to each part. And then the answers require charts, formulas, results in tables, etc, etc. Its quite a complex effort that I have to put together on a weekly basis.

I had intended to finish and then go play some cash games. But I'm feeling too tired to do that. So my latest thinking is to go to bed early and then wake up in the wee hours of the morning and then go bum-hunting at some of the bigger rooms, finding people that have been up all night.

From there, I'll do the 10AM at MB, come home for my study group and then do the 7PM Stratosphere tomorrow night. Then MB again Sunday morning and Poker Church in the afternoon. So even though I gave up my Friday, this weekend will be a nice mix of lots of poker and a little school work

Just to quickly illustrate the amount of homework that I do: the question set is only 1.5 pages. It's "only" 5 questions. My resulting answer set for 5 questions? 18 PAGES! A lot of damn work goes into those 5 questions. But my goal is to build a boutique consulting firm with revenues of half-million dollars a year. I've posted plenty of 6-figure years, but not a half-million. I can get there with all this work . . . I hope!

What does having you covered by a country mile mean? Like at least double your stack? In this case, you're saying V1 open-shoved for >50 BBs? Was this happening a lot? And how is it "a position play" if you also think he is as strong as AQ or AK?