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WA/WB ? WA/WB ?

04-08-2010 , 08:56 AM
MP is a very solid multitabler and I think his image of me is solid too.
If he iso raises here with an A it should be A7o+,A5s+.
UTG is unknow but obv bad.

PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, A
UTG calls, MP raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, UTG calls

Flop: (6.5 SB) A, 6, 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP raises, Hero ?

My plan was to c/r.

After his raise i think his range is balanced between wayhead Aces and waybehind pokets.
Given the flop with A76 there are much more ahead A combos than behind A combos in his hand.
Any merits in a flop 3bet? He will never fold a better hand and may find a fold a lower pair at the turn imho.
04-08-2010 , 09:25 AM
I personally don't think a solid player would be raising the flop with worse than Ax. What would he be trying to accomplish? You didn't 3-bet preflop so don't have many better pocket pairs in your range. Plus UTG donked, so he's going to give that some respect. It feels icky, but the play consistent with my read would be to fold.
04-08-2010 , 09:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooksx
I personally don't think a solid player would be raising the flop with worse than Ax. What would he be trying to accomplish? You didn't 3-bet preflop so don't have many better pocket pairs in your range. Plus UTG donked, so he's going to give that some respect. It feels icky, but the play consistent with my read would be to fold.
Cant wait for Hips "wtf ... stop folding the nuts".

I think an imidiate fold is too much. Maybe he has KJ,KT,QJ,QT etc kind of hand. Maybe he wants to isolate the fish again with KK,QQ.

I appreciate your opinion but we need a very good read to fold at this point here imho.
My question on the flop is to coldcall or to 3bet.

A WA/WB line would be c/c c/c donk river ui. But its 3way and we face 2 bets so this cant be an WA/WB situation or am i wrong?
04-08-2010 , 12:06 PM
I'll do my hip impression:

If you fold this you should just retire from poker. Wtf, grow some balls.

He's raising an utg limping ****** who donked an ace high flop. Don't fold the nuts. Mp could be raising worse ax or even a big pair. 3 bet call down ui.

Last edited by kwealert; 04-08-2010 at 12:28 PM.
04-08-2010 , 12:24 PM
I'm 3 betting this flop. UTG could have anything, MP could easily have a heart draw or something.
04-08-2010 , 12:25 PM
I think there is merit to 3betting preflop first of all. If MP really is solid then you should be a favorite against his range here, or close to 50/50, amd with the chance of folding out the limper i like a 3bet.

As played i snap 3bet the flop. MP isn't nesc doing this with an Ace. You'd definitely have enough equity vs a stoved range plus the flop is draw heavy.

A case could me made for mp raising his entire range on the flop vs utg's donk if he has a read that donk = weak.

MUBS imo.
04-08-2010 , 12:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooksx
I personally don't think a solid player would be raising the flop with worse than Ax. What would he be trying to accomplish? You didn't 3-bet preflop so don't have many better pocket pairs in your range. Plus UTG donked, so he's going to give that some respect. It feels icky, but the play consistent with my read would be to fold.
Wtf?
04-08-2010 , 03:55 PM
i like i've trained you all to post for me.


ya, 3bet, call, whatever just dont fold


UTG could have 33, KJ, A2, etc

if I'm MP with QQ, i'm raising the flop because UTG could have 33, KJ, A2, etc

so AT is still looking good. Even if he has AK, you have the heart in your hand to help
04-08-2010 , 08:45 PM
Is wa/wb dead? I can't remember the last time I did it and when cliche tags pull this on blank rivers I insta raise pretty much any two.
04-08-2010 , 10:15 PM
I still do WA/WB sometimes but I just c/c c/c c/c. The hands with no SD value usually 3-barrel anyway.

      
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