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Ugly river spot no:2 Ugly river spot no:2

11-29-2011 , 06:19 AM
villain was 59/0 73 hands total aggression 0.6

Saw him limp everything including monster hands, donking nut hands into
PF aggressor, donking TPWK, donking TPTK. A mixed bag of everything where
He suprised me on several moments.

But this flop aggression was new to me so I crawled into my shelp.
Probably I had to CR turn and call down against further action.

Well if you have good advice shoot?

stars $0.5/$1

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises, 2 folds, BTN calls, SB folds, BB calls

Flop: (6.5 SB) 6 T 4 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BTN calls, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BTN caps, BB calls, Hero calls

Turn: (9.3 BB) 8 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets, BB folds, Hero calls

River: (11.3 BB) K (2 players)
Hero ?
11-29-2011 , 10:29 AM
click the call button lol
11-29-2011 , 11:09 AM
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I am surprised you couldn't go either way on this hand.
I would b/f. We now beat TT/66/44/T8/T6/64.
11-29-2011 , 03:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by skillgambler
click the call button lol
yeah I probably think to much in pretty easy spots , I was thinking of b/f to. Also thought of more aggression on the turn, but perhaps v. this opponent, his history and the turn, calling down is better.

Hopefully after a million hands some pieces of the puzzle become more clearly for me.
I am a slow learner but I don't give up easily

Last edited by TH3CLOWN; 11-29-2011 at 03:19 PM.
11-29-2011 , 03:47 PM
i don't think u can b/f the river vs someone that might not know how to read the board
11-30-2011 , 06:45 PM
^^^ yea that

has to be close between b/c and c/c..
Guy like this could raise f.ex 444 im pretty sure, which is why i would never ever do something that involves folding.
12-09-2011 , 02:37 PM
i woulc c/c here
a lot of worst hand here might bluff compare to hands that would call a value bet without a spades imo
12-10-2011 , 04:35 AM
^^ this
c/c - given our lolsample read on his aggression so far, I can't see this villain call/cap with just a flush draw - we're most likely only behind to a set of 6's with a spade and you could get value when TT, 44, or non-spade 66 bets again.
12-10-2011 , 06:15 AM
I c/c and the result was villain had AA
12-10-2011 , 03:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
i woulc c/c here
a lot of worst hand here might bluff compare to hands that would call a value bet without a spades imo
C/c trying to induce a bluff has no value here. What hands would BTN have in his range that could be bluffs at this point? If he capped with top pair on the flop it would be very odd for him to turn it into a bluff on the river. Sets and flushes aren't bluffs. He would've had to have capped with a GS, then turned his pair into a double barrel bluff into 2 opponents, one of which obviously has top pair, at worst.

A c/c would get value bets from worse hands a decent amount, but some of these hands check behind, where all these hands would be calling a donk bet, so it's better to bet ourselves.

B/f is probably the right play, but with the pot this big I kind of crindge at folding top set. He may be so jacked up from his set that he hadn't realized the fourth spade, or his mouse is hovering the bet button and he accidentally raised.

Close between b/f and b/c but c/c would be the worst option, imo.
12-10-2011 , 07:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TH3CLOWN
I c/c and the result was villain had AA
hmmm - I discounted AA cuz he didn't 3bet preflop - good note to take on villain.
12-10-2011 , 08:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pg_780
C/c trying to induce a bluff has no value here. What hands would BTN have in his range that could be bluffs at this point? If he capped with top pair on the flop it would be very odd for him to turn it into a bluff on the river. Sets and flushes aren't bluffs. He would've had to have capped with a GS, then turned his pair into a double barrel bluff into 2 opponents, one of which obviously has top pair, at worst.

A c/c would get value bets from worse hands a decent amount, but some of these hands check behind, where all these hands would be calling a donk bet, so it's better to bet ourselves.

B/f is probably the right play, but with the pot this big I kind of crindge at folding top set. He may be so jacked up from his set that he hadn't realized the fourth spade, or his mouse is hovering the bet button and he accidentally raised.

Close between b/f and b/c but c/c would be the worst option, imo.
The reason for checking is not to extract a bet vs bluffs btw, but rather because we dont love our equity and by checking we put in max 1 bet cause imo folding is out of the question. Villain could then check back better hands or bet worse hands.

in heros spot i think i would rate it like this: b/c > c/c >>>>>> b/f >>> c/f

so as u see i think folding would be pretty horrible
12-12-2011 , 02:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TH3CLOWN
Preflop: Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises, 2 folds, BTN calls, SB folds, BB calls

Flop: (6.5 SB) 6 T 4 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, *****BTN calls*****, BB raises, Hero 3-bets,*****BTN caps*****, BB calls, Hero calls

Turn: (9.3 BB) 8 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets, BB folds, Hero calls

River: (11.3 BB) K (2 players)
Hero ?
the back cap to me is a tard line and .:. to me this is a clear c/c because of all the garbage still in villains range.

otoh if villain had just stepped on the gas from the get go i would have taken a river donk line.

      
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