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10-13-2009 , 03:43 AM

pokerpinda

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Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 283

Villain - 34/25/2.00 over 200 hands

Can I fold my set on the river? The pot is not that big and I can't put him on anything I can beat here. I think a missed FD he would've played more aggressively on the flop. The way the hand played I could easily have an A, but he still donks the river.

Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with T

2 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, 1 fold

Flop: (5.5 SB) K

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls

Turn: (3.75 BB) T

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls

River: (5.75 BB) 3

(2 players)
BB bets, Hero?

10-13-2009 , 03:51 AM

Bren_Osoro

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 58

I'd probably make a wtf call just because he played it so strangely. I don't think an ace is likely because he didn't raise the turn. I think a lot of bad players play a 9 or two pair this way, and I think he has two pair often enough to make calling profitable.

10-13-2009 , 03:51 AM

guenttrs

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Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 324

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerpinda

2 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, 1 fold

Flop: (5.5 SB) K

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls

Turn: (3.75 BB) T

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls

River: (5.75 BB) 3

(2 players)
BB bets, Hero?

Dont fold! I doubt a 34/25/2.0 can ever have an A here after the turn action. This is a 9x, KT, K3, QT, JT type of hand scared that you may check behind the river. You beat a good part of this range.

10-13-2009 , 05:09 AM

twopoundroo

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 137

Quote:

Originally Posted by guenttrs

Dont fold! I doubt a 34/25/2.0 can ever have an A here after the turn action. This is a 9x, KT, K3, QT, JT type of hand scared that you may check behind the river. You beat a good part of this range.

agree.

10-13-2009 , 07:32 AM

OlivLu

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 659

I do cry call.

This is often some kind of two pairs that bet to avoid a free SD.
A raise is not appropriate as you won't get called by worse.

10-13-2009 , 01:48 PM

9ball

adept

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,109

I don't think this is a crying call, but just a regular call. Based on the turn action, I don't expect to lose very often. Villan is vaulebetting something like 2 pairs / tp hand imo.

10-13-2009 , 07:09 PM

Nick C

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In these days of waiting until the river, I don't make too much of Villain's lack of a turn raise. I mean, on a board like this one in particular, what great options does a BB with an A have on the turn? If Hero is betting, it's often either because Hero has an A or because Hero has some one-pair hand or a bluff that he's willing to bet-fold.

And then there's the possibility of a 9 for BB too. So I think you frequently get shown the best hand. Still, I think that at these odds a river call should pretty easily be profitable.

Last edited by Nick C; 10-13-2009 at 07:26 PM.

10-13-2009 , 07:15 PM

Scorcho

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on super obvious boards like this one, some TAGs and LAGTAGs these days are refusing to raise turn and instead opting to induce WTF-calls on the river

so I give them that WTF-call anyway cuz you see all sorts of 2 pairs here enough to make a call getting 6.75-to-1 worth it

10-13-2009 , 07:20 PM

ZOMG_RIGGED!

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if you cant call a river donk you should probably be checking behind on the turn

10-13-2009 , 07:30 PM

#10

CNLUO

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!

if you cant call a river donk you should probably be checking behind on the turn

10-13-2009 , 08:10 PM

#11

Black Hat

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Definitely calling a donk here. I'd probably also call a check raise.

10-13-2009 , 08:17 PM

#12

ZOMG_RIGGED!

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calling a river c/r is bad, calling a turn c/r is a no brainer

10-13-2009 , 10:44 PM

#13

Bren_Osoro

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!

calling a river c/r is bad, calling a turn c/r is a no brainer

Do you call a river bet after a turn c/r?

10-14-2009 , 02:02 AM

#14

pokerpinda

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Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 283

Thnx for the replies guys!

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