I've haven't gotten out of line at all, and frequently have shown the winner at showdown. I'm probably running around 22/20 so far this session, 100ish hands in.

CO is a generally tight player, but I've seen him call down with AQ on a 678K board to another very lose player at the table. He tends to show down AK/AQ a lot unimproved. He's also competent and a thinker. He's running 27/19.

Button is pretty much TAG, but he's definitely on the passive side as he's missed some easy 3bets IP in the past. He's also never gotten out of line.

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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with J 9
2 folds, CO raises, BTN calls, 1 fold, Hero calls

Flop: (6.5 SB) J 2 T (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, BTN calls, Hero raises, CO calls, BTN calls

Turn: (6.25 BB) T (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, BTN raises, Hero ??

Preflop, I feel this is just a complete.
Flop, what do you think of my check-raise here?
Turn?

I always hate calling what is usually now two big bets by the river in this spot, but can I really fold my hand?

I'm looking for input on all streets. And possible holdings by Villains. Thanks in advance.

He's raising the field. He has a T imo. I think this is a fold.

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bump. Looking for some more responses.

On the flop I think CO can have AK,AQ, KQ for over cards with a GS. KJ/QJ maybe depending how hard he plays these multiway. QTs is also a possibility as he's getting just enough to call for a 5 outer after your raise. Because you say BTN fails to 3bet IP he could hold allot of hands like ATs, AJ, KJs.

You said it yourself that BTN hasn't gotten out of line yet and is a bit passive. Now he's raising the field and you're not closing the action either, I fold. Co could even have a better J then you on the turn but isn't raising because the board paired.

I thought a little along this line as well, but leaned CO more towards a draw than a made hand. I assumed this because he doesn't isolate my turn bet on what should not be a scare card for him with any made hand he is planning on showing down at that point. I feel he would raise a J on the turn to charge max for any draws, that way he can just check-check the river if he's really worried or fold to a turn 3-bet if he thinks he's behind. If I assume this is the case; I'm really only worried about BTN and as I'm not going to improve my hand on the river, need to decide now if its worth showing down.

Thanks for the reply, hoping to get some more!

when passive players raise the turn with two ppl in, they have it, so fold the turn

yep I agree. If the villian has missed 3 betting spots as you say then he has probably done so because he is not 100% certain that he will win 100% of the time.

So he might be the sort of player who doubts his hand - MUBS

When he raises the field on turn when the board pairs he must be very confident.

Also he called 2 cold preflop and there are stacks of cold calling type hands that contain a T - ie JT, T9, QT and even T8

Hey guys,

I'd like to thank everyone for their responses so far. I've pretty much got consistency in the responses, but it wasn't until I read this:

That is was absolutely clear to me that things were as I had originally assumed for this hand.

First, to explain this was how the hand actually played out and who I was, and my holding check this out:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/52...f-turn-567206/

Now, I definitely made an error (besides the point) pre-flop by not 3-betting my hand, but I was curious if in doing that, I would still be able to 'raise the field' to represent strength as I figured my line would possibly seem strong enough to get a fold from a weak J.

This hand I posted here was simply to see if someone would fold a weak J given the exact situation I was trying to get a fold out of.

TheHip41, you were pretty persistent that:

So I found it a little funny that you basically posted the exact opposite opinion here. You have to admit, that it does look a little harder to call with that Jx from this side of the table.



This is what I also thought the villan may think, so I'm glad you came to the same conclusion. After my mistake of the cold-call pre, I felt that almost repped one of these types of hands even more, which would be even more reason to get a fold from a J9 type hand.

Obviously it might be hard to get any more unbiased opinions on either hand now that I've shown both scenarios, but I guess I've learned its better to use 1st person to describe scenarios as people sometimes have trouble putting themselves in other seats when they know exactly your holdings.

Thanks again guys for the replies. Cheers.

this is why 2p2's are good at poker


because the can fold in spots because ppl always have it.


in the hand you have KQ, the guy that bets the turn isn't folding Jx here.

but you are = $$$$


btw, just raise the flop in the KQ hand