The first hand is just an example about the table action and the players.
CO is braindead, MP3 could be ******ed (limp in with KQo) or just valueown the manaic. We just played one Orbit.

PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3, 4
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB checks

Flop: (4 SB) Q, A, 2 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, CO raises, Hero folds, 1 fold, UTG 3-bets, CO caps, UTG calls

Turn: (6 BB) J (2 players)
UTG bets, CO calls

River: (8 BB) 9 (2 players)
UTG bets, CO calls

Total pot: $10 (10 BB) | Rake: $0.45

Results:
UTG had Q, K (one pair, Queens).
CO mucked 2, K (one pair, twos).
Outcome: UTG won $9.55



BB is UTG from 1st hand
MP is CO from 1st hand = braindead

I stuck in the middle of a raising war. I'm not so much afraid of MP but it seems his action makes me pay off BBs overpair. On the other side BBs play doesnt makes any sense. He stop and go any street. What does this mean in your experience. Can I ever find a fold.


PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, 10
1 fold, MP calls, CO checks, Hero raises, SB calls, BB 3-bets, MP caps, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls

Flop: (19 SB) 3, 8, 8 (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, MP raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, MP caps, Hero calls, BB calls

Turn: (15.5 BB) 5 (3 players)
BB bets, MP raises, Hero calls, BB calls

River: (21.5 BB) 7 (3 players)
BB bets, MP raises, Hero calls, BB 3-bets, MP calls, Hero calls

Total pot: $27.95 (27.95 BB) | Rake: $0.50

FWIW, against total idiots I just suck it up and call down. could be wrong, could be right, could be there is no proper play. I don't really like your 3bet on the flop either. you cannot protect your hand here and some % of the time you are totally owned as well. don't forget you basically have the odds to hit your 2 outer at every stage of this hand if you are behind. then once you get to the river you are feeling pretty much like you are owned, but now the pot is massive and you only have to win very infrequently for a call to be correct.

Flop 3-bet looks good since you probably have the best hand. I'd probably shut down when it was two more to me on the turn like you did. Actually, I guess that's a good point to begin thinking seriously about how committed to showdown we are. But I don't think I'd want to give it up to just one stop-n-go, given the table dynamics, and when BB pulls it again on the river, I get suspicious about how desperately he might be trying to isolate himself. (And we do know from Hand 1 that he's willing to ignore the maniac's flop cap and value-bet the big streets with 2PTK against the maniac.) Meanwhile, though, if the turn had come back to me capped, I think I'd give up at that point, since the action wouldn't stink as much of BB trying hard to get rid of me.

I'm not happy about any of this, though, and I'm thinking that more often than not there will not be a happy ending at showdown. But maybe there will be often enough.

FWIW, since we keep getting faced with two more cold and are rarely closing the action either, I don't think this is very close to being true for any of our postflop decisions (except for when we're calling the flop cap) even if we take implied odds into account.

Thank you for your replys so far.

My thougths about my flop 3bet were:
- Im sure the flop will be cappt any way and i dont fold the flop giving the table setup.
- BB wants to isolate himself with the manaic
- The maniac can hold A2C here
- BB uses the blind aggression of MP to force me out of this flop
by donking into the manaic who will raise here A2C.

With my 3bet i want BB to fold AK, AQ ... ( i know wishful thinking, he will never fold these hands, by the way would it be correct?) or at least slow his action down with these hands. This fails and i cry called the turn. I'm with Nick about folding the Turn to a cap.

The River is the 3rd Stop and go from BB, but his 3bet was Allin and only 1/4 of a bigbet. Which makes it an easy final crying call.

This is important information. Players sometimes start stacking off light when they're near the felt.

I don't think I would fold even if the turn went to a cap anymore.

i'm not folding TT on this board, vs. these two, even if the two of them 16 bet the river

Thank you for your replies.

Good to know you would show it down too.
I really had a hard time stuck in the middle between a braindead raising machine and a maybe solid LAGTAG.

Out of my mind BB had AK and MP T3