DAMN

Haha, im not getting involved. Steve makes some great points also

Guess it depends on how ******ed we define the two villains in this hand and what we think they will do

What hand is it we think the fish will fold if faced with a raise that we actually want him to fold and not stick in 2, 3 or 4 bets with?

Donking here seems like a big mistake to me.

If you guys answer my question with gutshots you fail because we rather want him to stick in multiple bets.

If you answer it with weak fd's you fail because a) we wont fold those and b) we want him to stay in the pot with those when UTG has a better fd.


As usual when I stumble upon a "donk flop" thread and the people who says they want the initial raiser to protect their hand it seems to me they havent thought thru want hands it rly is we can expect to fold and which ones of them we rly want to fold.

c/r flop and hope UTG spews with Acx so you can c/r a blank turn

more things change the more they stay the same

i'd probably c/r cap and c-f a club turn/river

You need to peel a club turn if it's only one bet, you'll be getting better than 10:1.

ok

Yeah calling the turn club is fine because you're going to river a full house most of the time.

To be clear, I don't agree with the donk with the idea that we want CO to fold. I want him to call.

Looking at the responses, I might be leaning towards the c/r now, since it's more likely that we'll get a ton of bets in from the CO with that line. I do think it's close with a spazzy CO though, and I do still think that he raises our flop donk with a lot of hands that he won't 3-bet a c/r with. It's almost like a "f*** you" response to donking that a lot of aggro players make.