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pointless semibluff? pointless semibluff?

06-12-2010 , 12:50 AM
villain is standard online aggro opponent and 2barrels frequently. does this turn line ever fold out A8/AJ/AQ/AK UI or smaller PP on the river? is this line better or worse since we have the gutshot (say compared to having A5o in this spot)?



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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with A 6
CO raises, 2 folds, Hero calls

Flop: (4.5 SB) 2 7 T (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls

Turn: (3.25 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises
06-12-2010 , 01:44 AM
The gutshot is the bottom end. I wouldn't consider it too valuable, especially since if you hit it, there will be a four card straight on the board.

Furthermore, if the opponent is very aggressive post-flop, I would consider folding this hand pre-flop.

As played, I am not sure why you'd check raise there. If you're playing the hand to the turn, your point is to get value from king high, queen high, any other hand that is not a made hand for opponent, right? I think there is value at this point in check calling all the way to induce a bluff. I am not sure you get a big ace to fold, only the few that are mid aces that haven't connected.

I would have folded preflop, check raised flop, or check-called turn and river. The turn puts an open ender out so check raise there is unlikely to get any decent hand to fold, it looks like you have the open ender and are semi-bluffing IMO. Do you ever check raise turn with two pair or even just top pair on those boards? And is the opponent observant enough to notice? (i.e., is he a reg, does he multi-table and how many, does he seem to play differently against other opponents vs. against you, etc.)

Just wanted to add - if you're going to play this hand and are looking to get small pairs and better aces to fold, I really like check raising the flop and leading the turn more.
06-12-2010 , 08:42 AM
I would say pointless...you have a bluff catcher,with a gutshot and this is a very drawy board....I would say the only thing he would fold on the turn is 55,44 and 33 and this isn't even a certainty and is a very small part of his range. The pot is still fairly small and you are most likely going to have to fire two bullets to win it unimproved.....
06-12-2010 , 11:46 AM
imo folding preflop is awful. hero has 45% equity against a CO range...
06-12-2010 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ClubKid
Just wanted to add - if you're going to play this hand and are looking to get small pairs and better aces to fold, I really like check raising the flop and leading the turn more.
good point. c/c, c/r would look funny to me on this board. Think about it this way. If you did have a pair, would you have c/red the flop? If so then what made hand would you have c/red this turn with? I think when you c/r the turn he probably thinks that there are so few made hands in your range that you must be bluffing/semi-bluffing a lot.

I'm also thinking about it this way. I think very few hands you want to fold will and almost all the hands you want to call won't. So its -EV.
06-12-2010 , 09:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragon1893
imo folding preflop is awful. hero has 45% equity against a CO range...
I agree. A-6o though isn't that great a hand against CO, if CO isn't willing to fold easily on flop. I like A8o or better much more. But yeah, I'd never fold A-6 here unless against someone whose VPIP is like a full table stat (like 15%). I guess my point was, it's always an option to wait for a better spot of one knows this opponent is going to be very aggressive post-flop. Why run all the cards not knowing where we are, especially if it's possible opponent might hit and run or just donk off the chips he wins from us in the next few hands? Just my opinion anyway - again, I'd pretty much always defend with A6.
06-12-2010 , 09:27 PM
All the hands that beat you showdown and all the hands you beat fold. Because your hand looks a ton like 8x.

      
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