Camstudio is free and gets good quality

isn't that from Rounders? or am i missing something?

and ty all for the free software will try it soon...

"It's just like the saying says, you know? In the poker game of life, women are the rake. They are the ****ing rake."

It is harder in some ways but its also easier in many ways. Jobs usually includes politcics, dealing with quality morons and other mindless beauracrats, stupifying meetings etc. I worked for 20 years, had very 'good' jobs and hated getting up nearly every day.

Dead on. Poker is great because its the alternative to a job. Hats off to people who like their conventional job but the crux of the poker pro is they don't like conventional jobs. At least with poker we welcome the intrusion of pillocks into our daily working life (and at least compared to most jobs its relatively useful).

the difference is that you're tied to a hands/day rate. If you're sick or want to go on vacation, you have to make up for the missed hands. At 3400 or so hands/day at 3/6, if you miss a few days here and there you start to have that cloud hanging over you until you make that up.

thats part of the misery I would describe, not so much sitting at a computer for 4-8 hours a day playing 12 tables... but that dark cloud called "pace" hanging over you day in and day out

i guess for some that couldn't stand having a "real" job or for those that would only be able to make $40k/yr in the "real world", this is probably attractive. i just fall into neither of those categories so me seeing the other side is perhaps difficult at best.

not to mention the fact that it would be psychologically damning to me to know i'm continually losing at the game and spending $30k/yr in poker losses to "win" $117k. I hate losing. Even if I know it's a necessary evil for a lot of SNE chasers.

How is it losing 30k? Because ptr says so? It would be called winning/earning $87k, I don't understand the losing part. There is no misery in not owning an alarm clock and if I wanted I could play 8k 2 days 6k 1 day and have 4 days off every week. I'm so miserable according to you I guess. lol

I'm miserable when I think how much money I give PokerStars with rake.

The daily rate allows for holidays and reasonable sickness. it would have to be very traumatic to matter much to a pro.


We just understand that winning isn't losing.

Better than anywhere Live though, right?

On a per hand basis, yes.

On an hourly basis, likely no.

Well yeah hourly, probably not, because you have the opportunity to play many more tables.

True and better than on any other site out there. But that PokerStars thing wasn't the point.

I'll rephrase...

I'm miserable when I think how much money I give away with rake.

Poker Stars $3/$6 Limit Hold'em - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Pre Flop: (1.333 SB) Hero is CO with 8 6
Hero raises, BTN calls, SB 3-bets, BB caps!, Hero calls, BTN calls, SB calls

Flop: (16 SB) 6 7 2 (4 players)
SB bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BTN folds, SB calls, BB calls

Turn: (12.5 BB) 3 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds

River: (14.5 BB) A (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls

Final Pot: 16.5 BB
Hero shows 8 6 (a pair of Sixes)
SB shows K Q (high card Ace)
Hero wins 16.167 BB
(Rake: $2.00)

Gotta love getting the winner to fold and getting paid by K high

bleh, and at a job u're always tied to a fixed schedule day in, day out. and u have to wake up and show up to work when the man says so, and when it comes to lunch breaks and vacation time, u only take these when the man says it's ok.

no one will dispute a regular job's benefits, mainly acquired experience, networking and social interaction, but i doubt many working stiffs would choose--if they could--being told what to do and when to do it vs. being in a trade that offers limitless personal freedom and exponential financial growth (according to edge and hand volume) as poker provides. especially considering the pay differential.

most households in the first world countries get ~40k median yearly salary. a be sne rb whore, however, gets you 150% of that with no paper credentials, no job experience and with zero college education required. in fact, u shoot to the top 10% of household income (in the usa) just by clicking buttons in your pijamas.

and u're last point is simply a matter of preference. if a rb whore's theororitical ev is 87k from a 117k bonus pie cuz of his edge, i don't see how that should negatively impact the mind of a pro gambler assuming he/she is comfortable with his/her edge.

i think you're being extremely optimistic with exponential financial growth.
wouldn't you top out at some point?

i would think that as you move up, your edge in games would go down because before where you were 1 in 1,000 in terms of poker skill, you've now got 20 others just like you in a player pool that's going to be drastically smaller.

the term "limitless personal freedom" seems kind of weird because you still have to "go to work" at some point. you may also be overlooking the fact that there are limited markets in which you can apply your skill. if you live in the US and play online, you're pretty much limited to Stars or FTP (Cake/Cereus too). if you live in Washington State, it's FTP.

the ceiling in lhe is up to debate, but if we're talking net profits (instead of net hourly) as your edge decreases, you up the hand volume to offset a decrease in edge while still possibly increasing profits.

or admittedly under a more rosier scenario, the world markets collectively start regulating poker instead of prohibiting. thus the player pool (income source) continues to grow and continues adding profit whether u're edge stays stagnant or not.

it's freedom cuz u only work when u want to and u choose for how long to work and for how much (u're edge and volume dictaces u're profits), as opposed to being told by someone else to show up on x time and do x project by x time for ultimately x dollars.

and there are technical ways around the usa bans (both intrastate and international site bans), if one must play at all sites.

But for how long? When will the income dry up?

There is 0 security that tomorrow you have an income in poker.

ITT people with jobs try to convince poker pros and themselves that life is better with a real job.

No job security in poker? Guess what, people lose their jobs all the time.

but if you lose your job, you can play poker

if you go broke online, you'll have to get a job

vicious circle

There have always been jobs. Online poker has been a source of an income for what? 5-6 years max...

At 10/20+, it's important to show your opponents that you will stick with your small pocket pairs under heavy fire.

Poker Stars $10/$20 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with Q K
2 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, CO caps!, Hero calls

Flop: (9.5 SB) K 6 6 (2 players)
CO bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Hero calls

Turn: (7.75 BB) Q (2 players)
CO bets, Hero raises, CO calls

River: (11.75 BB) K (2 players)
CO bets, Hero raises, CO calls

Final Pot: 15.75 BB
CO mucks 3 3
Hero shows Q K (a full house, Kings full of Queens)
Hero wins 15.6 BB
(Rake: $3.00)

way to suck out you fish

security is boring

fwiw, i wasn't trying to advocate one over the other, its an argument that's been beat to death

i just think the SNE chase is ******ed and a miserable existence but kudos to those who can make it work for them

personally if i was attempting to make a living solely from poker, i'd just work on my game and move up in stakes long before i'd ever attempt to make SNE

I've had harsh words for "losing" SNE grinders over the years (even though I don't really care at all these days) but I fail to see how 8 tabling for 35 hrs/week is at all miserable , especially compared to an actual job with equivalent pay and hours. To me, poker sounds far better then a job in this spot.