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I would check 4 high on this river unless I KNOW that villain routinely calls flop and turn on super dry boards with K high or Q high. Any normal player has Ace high or better every time and no way anyone folds ace high. The only realistic hand you can try to bluff off is 55.

I literally cannot be bothered to type why you are wrong.

02-10-2010 , 01:14 PM

#16127

Scorcho

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I tend to bet when I have a reasonable chance of a player folding and when I simultaneously have 0.01% chance of winning if I check behind

call me crazy

02-10-2010 , 01:36 PM

#16128

Dredok

grinder

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 548

Quote:

Originally Posted by ravballz

Yo dredok. Sorry for the douche comment on the table earlier. Was running and playing bad and had to vent.

don't worry man. No problem

02-10-2010 , 01:39 PM

#16129

Scorcho

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HELL YEAH $40 BONUS TIME

cheeseburgers for all my friends

02-10-2010 , 01:42 PM

#16130

ColeW123

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scorcho

HELL YEAH $40 BONUS TIME

cheeseburgers for all my friends

WHEN CAN I BUY IT?

I am a fish and need to reload!

FOUND IT!

02-10-2010 , 02:03 PM

#16131

networth

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running OK but playing like crap. Bluffed off 20 BB to bags. But cracked Geocops AA. He went 4 bets on turn with overpair. I had nut flush. Note taken.

02-10-2010 , 02:07 PM

#16132

runsick

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scorcho

I tend to bet when I have a reasonable chance of a player folding and when I simultaneously have 0.01% chance of winning if I check behind

call me crazy

By "reasonable" in this hand, do you mean 1/8.5?

I don't think you have that here. There is room to disagree there of course, but because you have 0.01% chance of winning if you check, are you suddenly OK with not getting good enough odds on your bluff?

There are many situations where you have 0% chance of winning if you check behind on the river and in some of them, you shouldn't bet.

02-10-2010 , 02:28 PM

#16133

Scorcho

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if he's willing to peel with 53s, he can just as easily have 75, 45, 43, 22, 55, even goofy hands like T9, J8, etc.

a bluff will work a helluva lot more than 12% of the time here

02-10-2010 , 02:29 PM

#16134

9ball

adept

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,109

Quote:

Originally Posted by runsick

I bet here everytime.
Decent size pot, zero sd value, i 3bet pf, = i take another stab.

02-10-2010 , 02:36 PM

#16135

runsick

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scorcho

if he's willing to peel with 53s, he can just as easily have 75, 45, 43, 22, 55, even goofy hands like T9, J8, etc.

a bluff will work a helluva lot more than 12% of the time here

OK sorry, I didn't specify but obv my logic doesn't apply to this clown who raised pre and then peeled the flop with 53 (???!!!). Yes this guy can have anything and you'd better bet vs. him.

But the hand was given without any description of player, and against "normal" players I stand by my opinion. But maybe this is where the disagreement is... maybe its more common than I think for unknowns to just call flop and turn with no pair, very little SD value. I would never put any opponent on any 3 this hand unless its A3 and that's the same as Ax here which won't fold.

02-10-2010 , 03:15 PM

#16136

daiquiri

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katja thater really knows how to suck

out

every ****ing time

02-10-2010 , 03:19 PM

#16137

daiquiri

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why you shouldn't give up on your bluffs on wet boards

Poker Stars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 3 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is BTN with 9

Hero raises, Ixiterra 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls

Flop: (7 SB) 2

(2 players)
Ixiterra bets, Hero raises, Ixiterra 3-bets, Hero calls

Turn: (6.5 BB) 4

(2 players)
Ixiterra bets, Hero calls

River: (8.5 BB) 6

(2 players)
Ixiterra checks, Hero bets, Ixiterra folds

02-10-2010 , 03:29 PM

#16138

kwealert

old hand

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Quote:

Originally Posted by runsick

anyone with < a K in their hand is going to have a hard time calling this river. For a typical CO opener, there's easily more than 12% of his range that both cards are lower than a K.

02-10-2010 , 03:33 PM

#16139

dragon1893

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daiquiri

katja thater really knows how to suck

out

every ****ing time

what else do you expect from a female PS pro?

02-10-2010 , 03:34 PM

#16140

All Apologies

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Nice FSDR ealier Daiq!

02-10-2010 , 03:40 PM

#16141

daiquiri

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Quote:

Originally Posted by All Apologies

Nice FSDR ealier Daiq!

fsdr? where?

02-10-2010 , 03:43 PM

#16142

leprous_hand

unclean

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 16,249

Quote:

Originally Posted by daiquiri

Hero raises, Ixiterra 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls

Flop: (7 SB) 2

(2 players)
Ixiterra bets, Hero raises, Ixiterra 3-bets, Hero calls

Turn: (6.5 BB) 4

(2 players)
Ixiterra bets, Hero calls

River: (8.5 BB) 6

(2 players)
Ixiterra checks, Hero bets, Ixiterra folds

he probably had a better flush draw

02-10-2010 , 03:43 PM

#16143

daiquiri

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Quote:

Originally Posted by leprous_hand

he probably had a better flush draw

yeah i know that, that's why he should have followed up if he has spewed that many bets in already

02-10-2010 , 03:45 PM

#16144

All Apologies

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daiquiri

fsdr? where?

You're the button, I'm the BB obv.

Poker Stars $3.00/$6.00 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Pre Flop: (1.333 SB) Hero is BB with T

3 folds, BTN raises, 1 fold, Hero calls

Flop: (4.333 SB) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero raises, BTN 3-bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5.167 BB) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (5.167 BB) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets, BTN calls

Final Pot: 7.167 BB
BTN mucks J

Hero shows T

Hero wins 6.833 BB
(Rake: $2.00)

Last edited by All Apologies; 02-10-2010 at 03:46 PM. Reason: Or were you worried about the straight draw getting here?

02-10-2010 , 03:48 PM

#16145

daiquiri

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that wasn't meant to be an fsdr but the 8 kinda sucked for me, I didn't want to get c/red again and now had some sd value so I decided if I check I might look like a freecard play with some flopped draw and if you are on another one you might stab the river
+I didn't really expect to get payed off by 6x and 7x anymore if I cbet

Last edited by daiquiri; 02-10-2010 at 03:55 PM.

02-10-2010 , 03:50 PM

#16146

All Apologies

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daiquiri

Ya see my edit, in the heat of the moment after seeing your hand I was like WTF did he just FSDR me.

02-10-2010 , 03:51 PM

#16147

daiquiri

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Quote:

Originally Posted by All Apologies

Ya see my edit, in the heat of the moment after seeing your hand I was like WTF did he just FSDR me.

that would have been weird with Jhi no kicker wouldn't it :P

02-10-2010 , 04:02 PM

#16148

DonJuan

old hand

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daiquiri

checking turn is bad pls bet turn.

02-10-2010 , 04:19 PM

#16149

normalcy

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,390

my stars name is born2winit and i play mostly at 2/4 on stars. anyone have any comments about my game? i am currently on my 5th distinct 300+BB downswing in the past 125k hands and im wondering what's going on.

02-10-2010 , 04:28 PM

#16150

daiquiri

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DonJuan

checking turn is bad pls bet turn.

I'm not 100% convinced my line was good but if you think it's bad please explain
If he has a T I'm in bad shape
If he has as 9 I'm crushed and will have to call a c/r
If he has a 8 I'm in ok shape together with my outs but not good enough to get in 3 str of value and can still vbet the river if he checks again
If he has a 7 or a 6 he probably c/fs
the only thing I'm getting value from is his fd's and they are a relatively small part of his range, and will sometimes stab the river anyway

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