For me, my 5/10 VPP/hand rate is going to be almost 1.5 and almost 2 for 10/20 in the new system. This is very good.

wow

What do you get at 5/10 at the moment? I get 1.19 at 5/10 and 1.48 at 10/20.

This def looks good. Kinda tempting to go for elite if it's going to go up that much.

I get 1.19 and 1.47, so basically the same. In the new system I was expecting 1.27 and 1.68, but the extra multiplier should add significantly. I should amend my previous post. These are the numbers I get based on my December sample:

5/10: 5.5x multiplier = 1.4VPP/hand
10/20: 5.5x multiplier =1.85VPP/hand

I had a filter on at the time, which game me higher numbers.

Honestly though, I don't expect the games to be very good next year overall at these limits. I'm not saying that limit is over or anything, I'm just saying that this is going to entice a lot of tags to put in a lot of volume at these levels and I expect there to be even more tag grinders at these levels. Add to that a lot of good high stakes players moving down to these levels or going for SNE. Maybe I'm overestimating this though.

how will it change for 3/6?

good news!

and yea U are definitely overestimating this imo

The HEM used 5VPP/$. For 6m, that's now 5.5VPP/$ and FR (tables, not # players seated) it will be 6VPP/$. It is relatively easy to compute. I threw up some numbers here. Someone with a bigger sample in HEM should have slightly more accurate numbers. Game starting would have a big impact in the numbers, so I filtered for exactly 6 and exactly 10 players.

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I got 0.83VPP/hand this year at 3/6 (only 6700 hands though) and in the new system it would be 0.88 so a modest increase, but still good. 2/4 is the break even point. 1/2 drops down to 0.37VPP/hand for me, making it basically useless now.

Maybe some day Stars will figure out that the secret to Party's boom was frequent reload bonuses and that fish don't really care about improvements in the reward scheme. They're not in it for the reward scheme.

In the mean time, anything that gives out more bonuses to them is good I think (which I think this does with the milestone bonuses?).

Do you think it will be still +EV to get SN being a 1/2$ limit player?

it would require 40hours 568hands/hour to get 7.5k per month (with 0.33VPP/hand I got, dunno if my estimation is good, Absolution pointed .37vpp/hand).

I have this time dedicated to play poker cash games (2h daily 5 days week). 568hands/hour would be like 8-tables...

What do you think would be better for me? just playing 2-4 tables or trying to 8-table ?

May be if I play just 2-4 tables I could climb to 2/4$ someday and dont worry about 8-tabling ...

Yeah, so the changes pretty much shaft me cause I play 1/2, don't they?

The stellar reward is some kind of quick-bonus

not official or anything, but it's what I put together from fpp pros original numbers, and a bunch of hands from PTR.

but wow look at how 6 max is benefitting zomgzomg

Can you explain all the bars/columns?

Left side is the old numbers (based solely on what fpp pros website says), right is new numbers, the sample size I used, and the % change from the old. Everything is VPP/hand.

yes.. new stuff is bad for 1/2, but a lot of FPP-whores 'have' to move up, which will probably improve the games a bit.

Wow, so I get almost half of the FPP I usually get from 1/2? That's ****ing brutal..


This sucks ass..

It's easy to see that you're getting fewer VPP/hand and think this is reducing your value. But you're getting an extra $1200 for getting to 100k VPP. So it's harder to get to Supernova at 1/2 and 2/4, but you're getting a better rakeback percentage. Before the 100k VPP were worth about $5600. Now it's worth $6800. This represents a 21% increase in value. So unless your VPP/hand rate drops by 18%, then you're getting better value.

So my understanding is that they made it harder to hit SNE and SN. Unless you play above 3/6.

Which means that the Dbecks of the world (ie people who understand the rewards scheme, not true fish) will try to move up. Could be good for 1/2 and 2/4 players to have less of them around, but probably generally bad for players above 3/6.

I can't read this chart right, it's all kinds of ****ed up.

So, for 1/2 6max I'm going from .4, to .29?

I see that I would be getting an extra $1200 to get SN or 100K VPP, but my VPP/hand is dropping by ~25% so I'm not getting a better value, correct?

This data is way off for 5/10 and 10/20, leading me to believe the rest of the data is suspect.

If those numbers are accurate, then yes. I doubt their veracity, however. If you have HEM, please post the following (filter for 3 to 6 handed):

Old Stars VPP/hand
New Stars VPP/hand

Also, the quarterly freerolls are great, but the second one is on my birthday.

I have PT3 cause I'm a newb? Maybe I should get HEM because people say it's the best. How much is that 90$?