meh i dont really know and the fact that half of this is in some foreign currency milliliter big blind stuff doesn't really make it easier but I've looked a lot of guys who do worse than break even and have definitely seen multiple 800k graphs and that is the first time I have ever seen ANYTHING like that. The fact that nobody's shown me another graph that looks similar suggest I'm not alone.

Obviously PTR doesn't use very good graphing software as it doesn't update on every hand and only goes by money, but still. Look at all the 3/6 all stars who never play anything else and lose -.25BB/100 forever, it's just a gentle hill.

Anyways, pretty sure MakiMaki cracked my set once so f him

Haha, most of our words are ripped off from other languages and then misspelled so we feel unique and cool. Fwiw, you misspelled misspell and forgot to capitalize English Mr. Grammar Nazi

That makimaki downswing is a lot more than 2000 BB. Going back to March, he has dropped over 50k with 5/10 being his main game, plus some 3/6-15/30. So he's probably lost closer to 4000 BB. It looks like he lost about 36k in that really steep drop this past month, so even that is probably a 2500 BB downswing right there. Hehe.... sorta funny calling it a downswing since he might actually just be a slight loser long term.

Losers have downswings too :P
I'm talking from personal experiences

Survivorship bias

fyi, for a bunch of breakeven players playing 1M hands of LHE there is easily a 10k BB difference between the luckiest and the unluckiest guy


and this too

why are u posting this, it just makes me want to punch u in the face u lucky sob. we have all experienced that guy that caps every street when we have the nuts and he turns over 4 high though (2Basic 85% of the time)

im thinkin makimaki has started adding more tables to get sne by the end of the year and it caused his game to suffer, just guessin, ive never played with him. if u make a conscience decision to lose 10-30k at the end of the year to get SNE it makes sense. u get it right back and u get 50% more rakeback the entire following year, but if he keeps up this pace a few more weeks then i dont really get it

The difference between 800k VPP and SNE is like 15% more rakeback the following year.

You only get SNE through to end of march without hitting goals and will almost certainly lose it end of september. You need to hit 50k/month to maintain from march 1st onwards with 1 month holiday allowed

also it's no where near close to "get 50% more rakeback" even whilst you do maintain it. "bare" SNE is gonna be around 40% rakeback, compared to 28% 'bare' SN rakeback. You start accruing milestones from the bottom again, so it's only worth 1.43x what SN is worth (5x compared to 3.5x) whilst you can maintain SNE.

Most of the value (and all the 70-80% rakeback quoted) are for hitting the milestones. Unless maintaining SNE in to the next year, the additional bonuses of 'next year' isn't that great than from starting from scratch. I doubt "deciding" to lose 30k over 2 months to go from 800k VPPs to 1m VPPs is worthwhile.

It's all about getting 3 million VPPs two years in a row.

pretty clueless on all the rakeback figures you are talking but there is at least 25k cash from tourneys for getting from 800k to 1M. whats the milestone @ 1M?

I think 800k is the last milestone, which was 5k. 1.25 million is 10k.

wow I definitely didn't think that was true but it looks like that's the case unless I'm missing something.

that seems kinda beatish, they should just give you another 5k at 50,000 FPPs or something

It's $10k + a tourney package for making SNE at 1mil, so in total i guess it has $25k value (although i personally would value $20k > than $10k + a tourney package). There's no other additional milestones (that bonus package + unlocked SNE store+ 5x multiplier is considered milestone enough).

One top of that it's 3 months of 14% extra rakeback, at a time you are probably burnt out and sick of the sight of a poker table.

So I'm sticky by my "deciding to drop 30k to go from 800k-1m vpips isn't worth it unless you are planning to grind hard the next year too"

isnt SN RB about 40%, and SNE 50-60%+?

Still substantial, but not quite to the degree you said. ev++ Poker Tools uses bbs and not BBs which could have been the basis for the confusion.

no no.. in bbs it would be 20k

actually for 1000 samples the difference is more like 12k BB (big bets), now that I redid it

how do you make the backdrop look like this?

My 2p2/edit options/Miscellaneous Options/slick skin

phil's top 10 hands -> profit

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just so daiq doesnt look foolish

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