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10-31-2010 , 09:44 PM
I can definitely sympathize with both positions in this debate as I kind of split the difference between SNE grinder and someone who spends time working to be the best poker player I can be. I do what I do to maximize my $/hr and don't fault others who do the same. What confuses me is when people make decisions which negatively effects their $/hr. When I see someone who game creates and is only on a couple tables leave a seat with position on 2 big fish because a decent player sits to their left, I don't get it. Similarly, when I see someone who plays close to a million hands a year not even spend a few hours a month to try to improve their game, I don't get it.

It is all about maximizing your earn rate (which obviously for those at small/micro stakes means primarily focusing on improving rather than 8 tabling etc). How that applies for different players will likely be different.

Last edited by jph0424; 10-31-2010 at 10:02 PM. Reason: also best month since 2006
11-01-2010 , 01:16 AM
Ty dredok and allapologies,

I actually had a sick downswing to start the month, i ran really bad and just didn't table select or play that well (i came back to poker after like a one month hiatus and was just rusty).

Poker gods were kinder later on though:




I made around 2k in rakeback too, so a good month.
11-01-2010 , 01:29 AM
Stars is down for me, everything else is fine

Last edited by DrElo; 11-01-2010 at 01:31 AM. Reason: nevermind
11-01-2010 , 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Devildances
Ty dredok and allapologies,

I actually had a sick downswing to start the month, i ran really bad and just didn't table select or play that well (i came back to poker after like a one month hiatus and was just rusty).

Poker gods were kinder later on though:




I made around 2k in rakeback too, so a good month.
wow congrats for the brag :P
11-01-2010 , 12:55 PM
1M views ITT
11-01-2010 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Scorcho
1M views ITT
Woot.
11-01-2010 , 02:57 PM
November prop bet, anyone?

100k hands at $5/$10+ in 10 days. 1:1, negative win rate is a push.
11-01-2010 , 03:10 PM
Is this timed to get an extra hour when daylight savings time switches? Or do you lose an hour?

I never know since I live in Arizona and we aren't stupid and try to manipulate time.
11-01-2010 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jph0424
I can definitely sympathize with both positions in this debate as I kind of split the difference between SNE grinder and someone who spends time working to be the best poker player I can be. I do what I do to maximize my $/hr and don't fault others who do the same. What confuses me is when people make decisions which negatively effects their $/hr. When I see someone who game creates and is only on a couple tables leave a seat with position on 2 big fish because a decent player sits to their left, I don't get it. Similarly, when I see someone who plays close to a million hands a year not even spend a few hours a month to try to improve their game, I don't get it.

It is all about maximizing your earn rate (which obviously for those at small/micro stakes means primarily focusing on improving rather than 8 tabling etc). How that applies for different players will likely be different.
great post, there are my thoughts exactly
11-01-2010 , 03:13 PM
make it 1:1 for at least -0.25BB/100 and I would seriously consider it
11-01-2010 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by that_pope
Is this timed to get an extra hour when daylight savings time switches? Or do you lose an hour?

I never know since I live in Arizona and we aren't stupid and try to manipulate time.
It would be more like Nov 19 through 29, so after Daylight Savings Nonsense.
11-01-2010 , 04:23 PM
GB, I will make a modest ($100) wager against. That would be very impressive/crazy.

Last edited by jph0424; 11-01-2010 at 04:24 PM. Reason: assuming all limited holdem obv
11-01-2010 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by that_pope
Is this timed to get an extra hour when daylight savings time switches? Or do you lose an hour?

I never know since I live in Arizona and we aren't stupid and try to manipulate time.
too busy hating on mexicans to manipulate time imo
11-01-2010 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GiantBuddha
November prop bet, anyone?

100k hands at $5/$10+ in 10 days. 1:1, negative win rate is a push.
I bet 200 USD against you. 1:1 odds
I say you dont make 100k hands in 10 days at 5/10 or higher at stars with a winrate > 0.0
if winrate is 0 or below its a push (and you throw in one of your books ? ^^)


confirm if booked
11-01-2010 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by timoK
I bet 200 USD against you. 1:1 odds
I say you dont make 100k hands in 10 days at 5/10 or higher at stars with a winrate > 0.0
if winrate is 0 or below its a push (and you throw in one of your books ? ^^)


confirm if booked
meh, I'll take the bet for the same conditions for 123,45$ (without the book please)

Last edited by AfriCola; 11-01-2010 at 05:34 PM. Reason: only 5/10 though obv
11-01-2010 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by GiantBuddha
November prop bet, anyone?

100k hands at $5/$10+ in 10 days. 1:1, negative win rate is a push.
would bet $100 against as well.
makes my head spin even thinking about it

Last edited by alip; 11-01-2010 at 07:07 PM.
11-01-2010 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GiantBuddha
Or you could be a woman, or black, or gay, or ugly, or young, or old. There are all sorts of things you could have absolutely no control over that may make you less likely to get promoted. In poker, none of those things are relevant.
If you're not getting promoted because of race or ugliness, that's a bad beat. Race is not the same as culture and ugliness is not the same as fatness. Conforming to your office's culture is part of your job.

Male dominated professions are typically male dominated for a reason: They involve things men are better at. Women who enter these professions as opposed to professions that are female dominated are failing to optimize their skills. There's no reason a woman can't work construction. If she chooses to and her strength limits the tasks she can do or her overall productivity, she should be paid less. Paying people based on their value: That's equality.

There are jobs women are better at too. Think HR.

Pushing people away from jobs they're not built for helps the machine run better.
11-01-2010 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by networth
Hey I'm thinking of going for SNE next year. I'm a breakeven 3/6 player. What do you guys think?
It will either be good or bad for for your screen name.

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Originally Posted by DrVanNostrin
Disagree in theory. In theory that hard/smart workers who don't advance fail to advance because they lack an understanding of exactly what gets people promoted. It's not simply hard work and competence.

You can argue that the metric the "real world" uses to determine a person's value is flawed. I would agree. Shouldn't the real world folks adjust to and exploit this rather than attempting to change it? Exploiting something is a great way to change it.

The smart/hard worker who doesn't play politics (or do whatever BS is it that gets one promoted) is not only a victim, but a fish.

My point is mostly one of semantics. One could easily argue that the smart/hard worker who isn't liked by his superiors is bad at his job. The real world may have tricked into conforming to a metric by which he's not being evaluated. Who's responsible for that? Understanding the metric is part of the game.

Of course there's a luck factor in real life too. I don't mean to claim that one's results are a perfect predictor of their value.

Your point about poker is one I agree with completely. It's one of the few professions where the metric is clearly defined.
Good post. The points GB makes about being a minority are somewhat valid, but an employer that picks an inferior worker because of race/gender/etc of the superior one is also making a fish move that is -EV.
11-01-2010 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DrVanNostrin
If you're not getting promoted because of race or ugliness, that's a bad beat. Race is not the same as culture and ugliness is not the same as fatness. Conforming to your office's culture is part of your job.

Male dominated professions are typically male dominated for a reason: They involve things men are better at. Women who enter these professions as opposed to professions that are female dominated are failing to optimize their skills. There's no reason a woman can't work construction. If she chooses to and her strength limits the tasks she can do or her overall productivity, she should be paid less. Paying people based on their value: That's equality.

There are jobs women are better at too. Think HR.

Pushing people away from jobs they're not built for helps the machine run better.
This is a terrible post. Is there any particular reason to suspect that males are better at any particular non-physical labor job or that females are better at HR. I mean beyond crude stereotypes?
11-01-2010 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sethypooh21
This is a terrible post. Is there any particular reason to suspect that males are better at any particular non-physical labor job or that females are better at HR. I mean beyond crude stereotypes?
I have no comment on the HR thing, but taking 9 months out for a pregnancy lowers your value as an employee in any profession.

This adds to the phony $.72 to the dollar statistic (of woman in the same jobs.) I read somewhere how it was derived, but it's certainly dishonest because it takes the average pay including time off for childbirth, and it doesn't differentiate professions so it is thrown off by a handful of female CEO's making a few million less than their male counterparts.

A different study found that in many jobs, woman were actually making slightly more than their male counterparts.

Not to say that there are never any unfair things based on gender, but much of it is distorted out of proportion.
11-01-2010 , 07:46 PM
Yes. Men and women think differently.

ETA: The HR thing was ~50% joke. Women are better at reading body language and emotions. They're also better at BS'ing.
11-01-2010 , 07:48 PM
You guys are arguing way past each other and it's very annoying.
11-01-2010 , 07:50 PM
A woman with an airtight grasp of logic is very hard to find. I'm not being sexist, I've just encountered very few. Do they exist? Yes. The best/ most advance professor I had in logic courses was a woman.

Also, Venessa Selbts is really good at poker.
11-01-2010 , 07:50 PM
how about that local sports team eh?
11-01-2010 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by sledghammer
You guys are arguing way past each other and it's very annoying.
Not really sure what this means.

But yea, **** like this is annoying in the regs thread where poker discussing is occuring. I was considering not posting, but boredom got the best of me.

      
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