Turn cbet much lower than river cbet? Weird.

Honestly there is a wide range of wtsd that is fine for many levels. I think focussing more on making the right decisions in spots you find difficult is a much more productive way to look at it. Let's say you think you are showing down too little/much, how would you fix it? By posting hands where you find it a tough choice and seeing what other guys think. So depending on whatever answer you get your solution will be the same.

40 is fine. I show down between 39 and 40, did so for .50/1 also so your fine... If it's the right 40 that is.

i would prolly showdown <40% at <.50/1 limits, assuming those limits are still super soft. cuz in those limits it should be pretty ez to make solid laydowns and it will be unnecessary to showdown u're marginal hands since there's going to be lots of multiway pots and multiway showdowns.

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I suck at 6-max. This is from .25/.50 and .50/1.00:



I guess I'm a showdown monkey. Any other problems?

PS: The two hands that I've been dealt the least are AKs and KQs, but I'm losing money with both anyway (in before "Standard"). I'm also losing money with KJs, QJs, and JTs.

Thats the way it should be for low turn cbetters, right? If your checking back a lot of turns then the hands for which you have a river cbet option should be much stronger.

firebrian:
cbet flop more, should be mid 90s. showdown less. Stop open-limp reraising utg, i know you've done it.

Steal waaaay more from the small blind, like 60%+. Steal a bit more from button.

don't look at winning or losing money with individual hands, it's useless. There is this thing called variance and it's effects are pretty prominent in the short run but not so much in the long run. A sample size of the 15 times you've had QJs is not enough to make any conclusions so don't bother looking at it.

I try to force myself to c-bet, but it's often three or four to the flop. When I completely miss the flop, I feel like I'm just building the pot for someone else.

Noob question: When someone donk bets, does that alter my c-bet%?

I just checked PT, and I did it once (with AA). I'm 99% sure it was a misclick.

As for open-limping, I've nearly eliminated that from my game. It's still tempting with hands like 55 or T9s.

I can't see myself stealing over 60% when there are so many LAGs and calling stations at the low limits. I already get myself into trouble with hands like K5o, Q2s or 87o. Do you have a good source for blind battles?

I know--that's why I wrote "in before "Standard." It's just frustrating to be a losing player with AKs. A monkey, randomly clicking a mouse, should be a winning player with AKs.

Guys how do my stats look? Its HU only. Any input much appreciated .

not a huhu specialist but this seems waaay too tight, especially from the big blind

Here I looked at my HUHU stats. I open less from small blind, but your way is probably better there. I think I fold my big blind too much, so you are really folding it too much. Anyone who knows anything about HUHU feel free to comment on my stats too.

Two questions about my 1/2 stats:

1. I know this is difficult and perhaps impossible to answer in a vacuum, but should I be showing down less? I feel like my w$sd stat is too low and more than likely I'm just bad at picking spots. Should I be more 'trusting' at 1/2 and assume that the tagish players tend not to semibluff frequently enough to be showing down this often? Again I'm only asking for thoughts on the general tendencies/aggressiveness of the players; I understand that to really answer this question I should be posting spots I'm unsure of.

2. Am I too passive on the river? I think one of my bigger leaks is not vbetting weakish pairs/good Ahis enough on appropriate boards against the right villains, and I think this shows in the agg% drop between the turn and the river. Anything to be said about this stat in a vacuum?

1. the question "are the tagish players semi-bluffing enough for me to showdown more?" can only be answered by "I don't know... are they?" You have to watch them and assess their play. If they don't like to wait for the turn with a made hand then their turn raises are either their hand improved or they are semi-bluffing. If the turn is a brick then zomg they are semi-bluffing a lot. But to summarize "I understand that to really answer this question I should be posting spots I'm unsure of" well... you answered this ur self.

2. don't know much about river aggression/cbetting stats as being too high/low. But not all weak pairs and Ahis are created equally, hand reading and knowing the villain will tell you whether or not to bet. Just ask yourself "what worse hands call, what better hands fold?" every time you want to click the bet/raise button.

I am curious about the relationship between VPIP and WTSD. Is it the case that the lower your VPIP the higher your WTSD should be? If your starting hand standards are high, it seems you should have a showdownable hand more frequently than if your starting standards are looser. Or are these stats actually independent?

I have a VPIP of 26 and WTSD of 37 and I think I should be both playing looser and showing down more.

I don't know how they relate, but I agree with both of those statements.

much more dependent on your opponents imo. tougher opponents have to be shown down against more

Quick question, this a bit TOO Much defending? Talking Scorcho stakes here...

Fold BB to Steal: 27.73

I believe it is, but I think defending all of the hands in the 30-40% range are all about neutral EV. So I don't think you have a huge leak or anything. I am basing this off absolutely nothing beyond intuition though, so maybe someone has a better answer.

more importantly, what is your WR on the BB? at 2/4 on the year i'm folding 37%, and have a -17BB/100. I'm pretty sure 27% is overkill especially at scorcho stakes where you don't have many 40+ stealers, and I noticed that with 22-23% which I've had for periods at higher stakes, BB on the BB was like -20, whereas at 28-30% it's around -18.

Thanks. I thought it might be, especially with the high rake at 1/2 and less aggressive stealers. It's only a small sample however. About 4200 BB hands of my last 24k overall hands since i upped my aggression and SD rates. Results are good though at -.13BB/100. Then again been running (really) good.

Edit: With my entire 100k 1/2 sample (also 5-6 handed) I am at -16.94BB/100 and a fold BB to steal at 31%. But this has been through a progression of going from a 26/18 to a 33/26 player.

you can't even begin to look at your positional for only 4200 hands. I've run +5BB/100 out of the SB for over 5k hands before (5k total hands, not 5k in small blind).

Btw welcome to 33/26 land. it's fun amiright?!

I have searched to forum on how to post PT stats and graph. I cannot find it. Would someone point the way? I finally got to 16k hands

I finally got to 16k hand. I have fixed some leaks but obviously not all.



VP$P 24.36
PFR 17.33
AFq 49.22
WTSD 40.62
W$SD 52.34
Attp to Steal 36.31
Fold BB to Steal 38.33
3 Bet PF 7.42
CR Total 13.98

Obviously cannot get stats from PT3 to here, the came out as excel spreadsheet

For screenshots download gyazo. You are way way too tight, steal too little, showdown about right, oddly defend bb well enough given your tightness, don;t 3 bet nearly enough.

you don't need gyazo (whatever that is) just press the print screen button on your keyboard, open paint, control+c, crop whatever you want to show, presto.

Btw when you guys want to post stats and get fruitful analysis please just go back and read a few pages of this thread (or read it in entirety, which I recommend). Many questions will be answered and if you still are unsure about your stat's then post them but post the positional ones pls.

+1 to LP's opinion. LAG it up son, LAG it up.

Like I said, use gyazo. Why bother with all of that?