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07-20-2008 , 05:57 AM
BTN is bad 42/18 player. Fairly SD bound. Cant read hands. Somewhat aggro with an AF of 1.5 and an AFq of 45.

BB is TAG who looks like he is bad. 25/16 stats and not very aggro postflop.


My image is LAGTAG'ish. I havent won a lot of pots and I have shown down crap, yet I am up at the table. Basically my image is what it usually is: Oink sucks but wins


Party Poker $10/$20 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Pre Flop: Hero is CO with A 7
1 fold, Hero raises, BTN calls, 1 fold, BB calls

Flop: (6.5 SB) 4 9 Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BTN calls, BB calls

Turn: (4.75 BB) 2 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero..?
07-20-2008 , 05:58 AM
Bonus question:

Should we even c-bet this flop?
07-20-2008 , 06:13 AM
I check because getting raised sucks so much and you're not getting 2 folds very often. I can surely see reasons for betting though.

betting the flop is kind of close, but the 4 is a brick and Q9 are far enough apart for me to bet.
07-20-2008 , 07:36 AM
you can't fold, and on this board there are really few fold equity so i c/c.
i can bet when i really know my opponement and there are passif and call any two card on flop.

the flop play is more interresting i think.
i always c-bet this flop but it s maybe bad i don't know, because it's the kind of spot where we have so few fold equity.
but 42/18 i assume he cold call with some low suited hand so maybe you have more fold equity.
if bouton fold to flop bet i would be happy to play the rest of the hand with the position!
07-20-2008 , 09:20 AM
this flop is so peel-friendly that i doubt u get even one fold out of your two bad opponents. if we didn't have the Ad, i would typically c/f this flop vs ur described villains. main problem is probably over half the time our hand is losing to a pair, we have only around 5-6 generous outs to win and neither villain is folding to a flop bet very often; add to that the fact that a lot of turn cards will improve the peeling hands, makes me not wanna cbet this flop. i often find that when i do cbet these flops, i feel i'm essentially turning the hand into a 3 barrel hoping one of the villains didn't pick up smthg on the turn and folds, leaving me hu vs hopefully another draw that will miss or a small pair that will fold by the end. that's a lot of hoping and usually when i do go through w/ it, i get called down and shown 54s. i generally try not to 3 barrel into multiple sd bound villains.

as played, i was gonna suggest c/c the turn, but now i'm kinda leaning towards b/c cos the deuce didn't help any gutshots that peeled and they will often now fold if they dun have a diamond, and ur nut draw gives you a lot more ways to beat a pair. also, i dun think ur getting raised on this turn much anyways.
07-20-2008 , 09:30 AM
I bet this turn every time, for several reasons:

1. You aren't likely to get raised.
2. You only have two opponents, and with the straight draws on the board, your ace may very well be the best hand.
3. Someone might decide to fold a smaller pair.
07-20-2008 , 10:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by David BB
I bet this turn every time, for several reasons:

1. You aren't likely to get raised.
2. You only have two opponents, and with the straight draws on the board, your ace may very well be the best hand.
3. Someone might decide to fold a smaller pair.
that was exactly what went through my mind when I bet. tyvm
07-20-2008 , 08:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oink
that was exactly what went through my mind when I bet. tyvm
I also think David BB's reasoning is solid. Given the weakness that both opponents have shown so far combined with the fact that the tag is probably not overcalling the turn with any hand worse than 9x is why I too would bet this turn.

About whether you should bet the flop? I have no idea, but I've noticed that whenever other players do stove calcs in these spots they always seem to come to the conclusion that checking is better.
07-20-2008 , 08:40 PM
This is also a very peel friendly flop with so many gutshots possible. Also, the button might call any 2 given your read. I think betting is good, but my first instinct was to check. I would always bet this flop though for the same reason. I rarely check 3-handed though and maybe I need to work on that.
07-20-2008 , 09:18 PM
If we check flop. We c/f? If so I think betting is better. But not sure
07-21-2008 , 07:06 AM
i'd go ahead and bet the flop. id probaly check w/o the Ad


Turn looks like a very easy bet to me
07-21-2008 , 11:59 PM
I think I'd check just from an ev standpoint it's impossible to imagine anyone folding worse - normally not a big deal if yur more likely to have the best hand but I don't think you do here. I agree w/ others that you're not getting raised much since everyone & their brother fastplays Qx on the flop so I guess that makes it close.
07-21-2008 , 11:59 PM
Bet the turn for sure, for reasons already given.

Whether to c-bet is interesting.
Are we c-betting here to "maintain our FE"?
as no one is folding the flop, and its not a VB is it?

from villains point of view,
with no hand, raise the flop
with a hand, raise the turn

vs a habitual c-bettor I mean, which is damn near everyone.

good?
07-22-2008 , 05:32 AM
I don't think the flop is that bad for a c-bet. If I check I would peel for sure.

Turn seems like a bet. Getting raised sucks but not a disaster and we should pick up the pot often enough to make a bet EV+.

      
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