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07-26-2008 , 02:20 PM
Poker Stars $10/$20 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Only 30 hands on BB who is a tight Tag.

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with 9 A
Hero raises, 1 fold, BTN 3-bets, SB calls, BB caps!, Hero calls, BTN calls, SB calls

Flop: (16 SB) 9 4 8 (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, On Hero


Echoing Dyson's thoughts in his video, I've always enjoyed playing differently than everyone else in certain situations (which often means calling when others would raise on the flop)....
But the fact that I had to think before raising this flop makes me think I've gone overboard....I mean this fits the description of a spot where I have to raise even if I think I have the 2nd best hand, right?
07-26-2008 , 03:38 PM
Quote:
I mean this fits the description of a spot where I have to raise even if I think I have the 2nd best hand, right?
yeah. if this happened in my vid id say im raising because nothing bad can happen
07-26-2008 , 04:15 PM
Miles,
When you know what happens happens on the flop/turn, do I have a decision on the river?
07-26-2008 , 05:12 PM
Must raise, BTN can easily have TT-QQ and not like his hand.
07-26-2008 , 05:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scary_Tiger
Must raise, BTN can easily have TT-QQ and not like his hand.
The possibility that I can have an overpair is a really obvious point that I never really thought about....
Still he can't possibly fold TT/JJ can he?
Even if he doesn't I guess it's an easy raise.
07-26-2008 , 05:55 PM
If you raise TT/JJ is not going to have a good day. If you don't raise and lose to Ax you will quit poker and take up needlepoint tomorrow.


EDIT: Duh, I just realized we paired the flop. Still, getting AT/J/Q to fold is good. Any overcard in this pot

Last edited by Carmine; 07-26-2008 at 06:02 PM.
07-26-2008 , 08:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carmine
EDIT: Duh, I just realized we paired the flop. Still, getting AT/J/Q to fold is good. Any overcard in this pot
Are you serius !? AT/Q/J i dont wanna them to fold. Not even close.

I dont like raising cuz make life easier to villains and i really dont wanna no one folding. And would suck raising, get everyone folding and BB 3rdbets his TT+ stuff.

in this particulary spot raising in that position is pretty bad. If we where the sB and everyone called the flop, then i would considering raising the field.


ohhhh look, i´m a journeyman
07-26-2008 , 08:07 PM
at/aj/aq all have 2 outs to pair and also outs for the backdoor straight draw. yea holding a flush draw lessens the impact of these, but in a 20sb pot it's very hard to quantify. also, AK-AT with a spade are likely calling two anyway.
07-26-2008 , 08:18 PM
I really dont care about 2outs. its hapening all the time. I wanna ppl paying for the 2 outer. Sometimes it comes and i wanna break something.

Some could say that raising is good, but i dont think that way.

I wanna people puting money in the pot not making correctly foldings.

I think that Calling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> raising. We have good equitity, i like to preserve it

Why raising and get HU whit KK !?
07-26-2008 , 08:31 PM
bb doesnt always have you beaten, but even when he does you're still losing only fractions of bets by getting HU with him (vs. KK with a spade you have 49% equity on the flop). there's always the chance you can improve to beat BB but someone else can improve to beat you. but the real reason to raise is just because you have a monster hand in a monster pot and want to be able to get it capped 3- or 4-handed, not because you're really trying to make your pair of nines win the showdown.

Board: 9d 8s 4s
Wins Ties Equity
48.89% 0.00% 48.89% ( As9s )
51.11% 0.00% 51.11% ( KsKd )
07-26-2008 , 08:42 PM
I know we have an huge hand. My point is.

I´m in a bad spot cuz i dont know nothing about the other hands and puting a 2 sB in front of the players, they could do the right choise (fold).

I know for 95% of sure that every one is peeling that flop for 1sb cuz the pot is huge.

And i wanna people making second hands.

If i knew that no one is folding for 2sB i would raise getting probably BB 3rdbet the entire field for us. But we are in a bad spot.

I also said that if we where the sB i would defenetly raise.

But in this particulary spot i would just call.

      
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