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09-17-2011 , 01:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TX86s
wow, can't believe so many ppl are responding to coranmoran's posts. it's obviously a gimmick account created by some forum reg who's bored now that he can no longer play online, and has decided to level sssh by doling out advice that's a decade out of date.
Hehe, ok. I was going to put in one more bet, but I guess folding is the right play here and I need to work on my reads.
09-17-2011 , 02:34 PM
Summary:
This play is bush and costs you money.

Conclusion:
CM hasn't played on-line LHE in a while.
09-17-2011 , 04:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pg_780
Summary:
This play is bush and costs you money.

Conclusion:
CM hasn't played on-line LHE in a while.
That is a bit harsh statement since CM actually makes some valid points even if I don't agree with all that he says.
If MP raises flop I actually hate my hand more than if I take two in the face from SB. Donking to get MP to bluffraise SB out of the pot seems like a fairy tale since SB never going to fold a hand that have odds to beat me and because I don't think a 38/10 player with really low agg% (small sample I know. but still better info than nothing) is especially likely to take that line.

Donking flop is however not at all an unacceptable option for me since I'm quite sure that MP isn't cbetting this flop anywhere near the 95% some people are talking about in this thread and because some of the other reasons to donk that CM talked about actually makes sense.

A long time ago I read Elindauers essays including the one about why donkbetting necessarily ain't a bad move and why you should include it in your strategic arsenal. The problem with me and
donkbetting is that the lack of experience makes it really hard both to balance and execute it in the right spots, and most important of all I have real trouble interpreting the other players actions.And that is why I have an almost donkbetting free strategy.But it doesn't mean that I do rule out the possibility that donkbetting can be preferred in some situations where the common knowledge(read 2+2 conformity)says no-no.
09-17-2011 , 08:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Apanage
That is a bit harsh statement since CM actually makes some valid points even if I don't agree with all that he says.
If MP raises flop I actually hate my hand more than if I take two in the face from SB. Donking to get MP to bluffraise SB out of the pot seems like a fairy tale since SB never going to fold a hand that have odds to beat me and because I don't think a 38/10 player with really low agg% (small sample I know. but still better info than nothing) is especially likely to take that line.

Donking flop is however not at all an unacceptable option for me since I'm quite sure that MP isn't cbetting this flop anywhere near the 95% some people are talking about in this thread and because some of the other reasons to donk that CM talked about actually makes sense.

A long time ago I read Elindauers essays including the one about why donkbetting necessarily ain't a bad move and why you should include it in your strategic arsenal. The problem with me and
donkbetting is that the lack of experience makes it really hard both to balance and execute it in the right spots, and most important of all I have real trouble interpreting the other players actions.And that is why I have an almost donkbetting free strategy.But it doesn't mean that I do rule out the possibility that donkbetting can be preferred in some situations where the common knowledge(read 2+2 conformity)says no-no.
Yeah it was a little harsh, I couldn't help myself. My apologies, CM.

It's a good board to not c-bet 100%, but I'm trying to think of hands that a MP-open would check...

The other problem with donking, aside from losing the c-bet a ton, is having to find a way to balance this range. (as you and I stated earlier) I don't think it's worth it to create this whole new area in your game just because MP may check behind 10% of the time; which is still a high number imo. Then you have to consider how your c/r range is affected, and it just makes things a mess. Also, CM stated that part of the motive for his donk is to try and get raised to force out the SB--this is a poor plan.

If I were to have a donking range, big hands and big combo draws make more sense, cause I can 3 bet or cap them. The donk/call is a bad line.

Last edited by pg_780; 09-17-2011 at 09:16 PM.
09-18-2011 , 02:19 PM
I've got mixed feeling about pf, but I'm a nlhe nit nowadays. I think your equity sucks pretty bad otf.

      
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