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08-06-2008 , 11:43 PM

prnd

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villain is 34/11. af 1.56

Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with Q

UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls

Flop: (0.5 SB) 5

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, CO folds, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG calls

Turn: (0.25 BB) 9

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero folds

08-06-2008 , 11:55 PM

knockonwood

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I don't think i could ever fold here without a really good read. People love to raise turns on paired boards and he can easily be FSD raising with a gut shot with o/c's or a diamand draw.

08-07-2008 , 12:33 AM

TheHip41

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please don't fold anywhere in this hand

08-07-2008 , 01:22 AM

jph0424

old hand

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Folding an overpair HU is almost always a bad idea.

08-07-2008 , 01:33 AM

bisonbison

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I did this once. It was the worst hand I ever played.

08-07-2008 , 07:29 AM

prnd

grinder

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maybe you right guys,
but villain is really soft and scared. I havn't seen him c/r for a sample of 200 hands and this move is super strong for him.
I got good image at the table.
does it make my fold ok or it's still not good?

08-07-2008 , 01:46 PM

TheHip41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by prnd

maybe bisonbison didn't make it clear

this is the worst fold i've seen in days.

you aren't phil ivey, you aren't BG, just bet, get check raised, and call down.

don't make super folds with overpairs vs. random tard online opponents

if you are about to make a superfold think to yourself, wtf am i doing, i'm not good enough to fold here, then call down.

08-07-2008 , 01:52 PM

TheMainEvent

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If you really want to make a hero fold, wait for a spot where you only beat a bluff. You beat plenty of valuebetting hands here.

08-07-2008 , 02:00 PM

bisonbison

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He is showing you 44, 77, 88 or A6 at least as often as x5.

08-07-2008 , 02:30 PM

#10

nowayhey

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well, according to his pfr stats and pf limp (not lrr) he has small pocket pair or sometimes suited ace or something like JTs. His flop b/c means he probably wants to wait for safe turn to raise or slowplaying monster. So hands you beat are 77,88, hands like overcards w fd (rarely i would say), which can be like even 50% of his turn raise holding range. So call down is definitely good play.

08-07-2008 , 02:34 PM

#11

Absolution

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Just call down now. You lose more than you win of course, but you also have 4 outs when he has 87 and 2 outs when he has a full house. On the river you will lose probably 9 times outs of 10, but you'll have the odds to call.

08-07-2008 , 03:01 PM

#12

TheHip41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Absolution

i think this is a really good point for the OP

OP, don't get me wrong, when this guy c/r the turn, I hate my hand.

but, ppl do stupid stuff online, and you will be good way more often than you should be, that's why you call down.

I've folded this hand playing live before. When old man river takes this line, you have 2 outs, so you can just fold. but online, no way

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