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10-10-2008 , 08:27 PM

Mozart

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sb is yourface
bb is 33/18/1.41 wtsd 55 but just over 193 hands

I know that the standard line is to raise the flop but i thought well i have a good relative position let yourface bet again the turn and trap the bb for one more BB.

10/20 Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($683.55)
CO ($401.75)
BTN ($1056.00)
SB ($1483.75)
BB ($786.75)

Pre-flop: (1.5 SB, 5 players) Hero is UTG K

Hero bets, 2 folds, SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls

Flop: 5

(9.0 SB, 3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls

Turn: 3

(6.0 BB, 3 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero bets, SB bets, Hero calls

River: T

(12.0 BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero bets, SB calls

10-10-2008 , 08:40 PM

milesdyson

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BB calls your flop raise always. BB won't call yourface's turn bet always. Yourface won't always bet the turn to even give him the chance. just pop the flop.

10-10-2008 , 08:45 PM

yourface

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Quote:

Originally Posted by milesdyson

BB calls your flop raise always. BB won't call yourface's turn bet always. Yourface won't always bet the turn to even give him the chance. just pop the flop.

yup

10-10-2008 , 08:46 PM

Tryptamean

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Originally Posted by yourface

yup

10-10-2008 , 08:46 PM

Oink

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Hands like these tilts me so hard when I am villain.

Misplay in big pots and get there...

10-10-2008 , 08:51 PM

Mozart

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You are all right, i misplayed that hand.

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Originally Posted by Oink

Hands like these tilts me so hard when I am villain.

Misplay in big pots and get there...

If it helps, i wrote sry in the chatbox.

10-10-2008 , 08:59 PM

Oink

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hah, its not your fault I run bad

10-10-2008 , 09:13 PM

milesdyson

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river play is interesting on both sides. not sure either of you played it how i'd play it.

10-10-2008 , 11:35 PM

ILOVEPOKER929

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Quote:

Originally Posted by milesdyson

river play is interesting on both sides. not sure either of you played it how i'd play it.

Imo, once Mozart calls the turn 3bet his most likely range is 98s, a diamond draw or Tx. This means that yourface made a mistake on the river. His only choice of lines in this spot is bet/fold or check/call imo. I think Mozart played the river correctly since yourface will have a lot of overpairs in his range given Mozart's flop/turn line.

10-10-2008 , 11:41 PM

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milesdyson

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ILP

AT/77/55 is 10 combos vs. JJ/QQ/KK/AA which is 21. Yourface may also 3bet 33 preflop which is another 3 combos. If he can have that, KT is just a call on the river.

So it's already fairly close.

And given that the second group of hands probably shouldn't bet the river and they would be the ones more likely to not 3-bet the turn, KT is starting to look worse and worse.

10-11-2008 , 12:06 AM

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ILOVEPOKER929

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Quote:

Originally Posted by milesdyson

I would discount 33s 100% unless yourface says I shouldn't and I'm skeptical of whether yourface 3bets 100% of the time with 55 or ATo preflop here. Also, i think most tags bet the river in yourfaces spot even though they shouldn't (I blame momentum) so I think we have the odds to raise/call the river.

10-11-2008 , 12:07 AM

#12

milesdyson

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Hero in this hand is in the hijack. I'm sure most dudes are 3-betting 55 there.

10-11-2008 , 12:11 AM

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ILOVEPOKER929

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Quote:

Originally Posted by milesdyson

Hero in this hand is in the hijack. I'm sure most dudes are 3-betting 55 there.

Yes I know, I'm not sure yourface 3bets 55 or ATo in that spot 100% against a strong player. I suspect those hands need to be discounted but I am not sure by how much. Yourface may indeed always 3bet those hands in this spot, and if so, then our analysis can be more precise.

10-11-2008 , 12:11 AM

#14

yourface

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55 yes
AT yes
33 no

agree that river b/c is bad

10-11-2008 , 12:12 AM

#15

yourface

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anyone like calling pre with 33 with a weak player in the BB?

10-11-2008 , 12:14 AM

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ILOVEPOKER929

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Quote:

Originally Posted by milesdyson

Hero in this hand is in the hijack. I'm sure most dudes are 3-betting 55 there.

Also, the fact that we're a 21-10 favorite even if we don't discount ATo/55 means to me that we have more than enough margin of safety to make a river raise/call more profitable than calling. Of course like any analysis, this is built on the assumption that yourface will bet the river when he shouldn't and call the river when he shouldn't and imo almost all tags do just that in this horrible spot.

10-11-2008 , 12:37 AM

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TheHip41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by milesdyson

BB calls your flop raise always. BB won't call yourface's turn bet always. Yourface won't always bet the turn to even give him the chance. just pop the flop.

also, when yourface does bet the turn, you are going to be losing alot more often than when he bets the flop.

10-11-2008 , 06:20 AM

#18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yourface

anyone like calling pre with 33 with a weak player in the BB?

Too loose imo. BB isnt loose and bad enough. With a 60/5/45 guy I think its fine

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