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interesting hand..whats the near correct line?(GTO) interesting hand..whats the near correct line?(GTO)

01-15-2010 , 09:14 PM
i got this hand from a magazine. It was a math one but had a poker section devoted too it. It leaves the reader to ponder. Its


This hand is viewed a little different than most.

Limit betting
Pot is 1.5SB

UTG raises and it folds to the BB who flat calls with say around 30% of hands or so. Board reads 7sAdQs9c2h. Given the board and assuming the hand went check raise on the flop, a bet and a call on the turn how does the BB balance his range and play near optimally on the river? And how does he make sure he value bluffs approiately against the hijack? Solve this street and work backwards. With what hands are they taking the near optimal actions with?
01-16-2010 , 09:06 AM
wtf is a "value bluff"?
01-16-2010 , 09:08 AM
OP, aren't you getting a little bit ahead of yourself?
01-16-2010 , 01:22 PM
Pre: Standard imo

Flop: GTO optimal optimalization requires SB to c/r every double broadway flop to make TAGfishies fold, so 3-betting flop 100% here or calling to raise turn 100% is ideal. I would raise flop to build reverse implied folding equity against gutshots and smaller pairs and protect my hand.

Turn: The 9 is a bad card, as he now always has a draw at least even if he had air before. I would raise any piece, preparing to rep made spades on the river. W/o a piece, I would float him again planning to steal non-spade rivers. If no ace and no spades come on the river, I am folding anything worse than mid pair though since I look too weak and he will prolly call me down w/ underpairs.

River: Value bet/raise top pair or better and anything we floated, and fold behind everything else if he checks. We don't want him to know what we're up to with.
01-16-2010 , 01:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unguarded
Pre: Standard imo

Flop: GTO optimal optimalization requires SB to c/r every double broadway flop to make TAGfishies fold, so 3-betting flop 100% here or calling to raise turn 100% is ideal. I would raise flop to build reverse implied folding equity against gutshots and smaller pairs and protect my hand.

Turn: The 9 is a bad card, as he now always has a draw at least even if he had air before. I would raise any piece, preparing to rep made spades on the river. W/o a piece, I would float him again planning to steal non-spade rivers. If no ace and no spades come on the river, I am folding anything worse than mid pair though since I look too weak and he will prolly call me down w/ underpairs.

River: Value bet/raise top pair or better and anything we floated, and fold behind everything else if he checks. We don't want him to know what we're up to with.
spot on!
01-16-2010 , 03:23 PM
holy snikeys...

Is that what it takes to be beating midstakes for over 2 big bets?

I'm going back to a day time job
01-16-2010 , 04:08 PM
OP,

There's no reason to believe that the GTO line is nearly correct. If you're serious about learning about this stuff, I suggest this book.
01-16-2010 , 06:28 PM
Smart people ruined limit holdem.
01-16-2010 , 07:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leader
OP,

There's no reason to believe that the GTO line is nearly correct. If you're serious about learning about this stuff, I suggest this book.
I am learning this stuff. I know that line doesnt have to be correct because i did not give any frequencies of the players. For ex c/c x%, c/r 50%, etc etc. What I am looking at is the hand and seeing if anyone wanted to do it backwards from the river back GIVEN the action that had already taken place. So basically, given the action sequences from the players what would be the near action/hand sequences on the river. Working from the river back. If i valur 50 combos here and bluff 10 giving u 5-1, i want the distributions to contain those hands when i get to the river. If i start from the river I can make sure they are in there. Than i go to the turn. Than flop.

I am in fact leaving out a bunch of things I know. But thats not the point. The point was to see given how the action went how should play go on the river?And on the turn? and on the river with what hands though.

      
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