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07-03-2010 , 12:28 AM
Unknown player who hasn't caught my eye with anything in my first 10 hands at the table....cap or call?


Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with K A
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls

Flop: (6.5 SB) Q K 3 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls

Turn: (6.25 BB) A (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls

River: (8.25 BB) K (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero
07-03-2010 , 12:39 AM
[x] Hero has the virtual nuts

[x] Hero only loses to exactly one hand combination

[x] Hero should raise turn

And I would do anything for love, but I won't just call that.

Last edited by Black Hat; 07-03-2010 at 12:48 AM. Reason: now I gotta blast some heavy metal to purge my head of this gay sh*t
07-03-2010 , 12:59 AM
I'm so raising this turn and the river is a very simple cap if this ain't a level
07-03-2010 , 01:05 AM
Is everyone a level 1 thinker, or am I just giving too much credit to a 2/4 player who 3 bet out of the BB, 3 bet the flop, and 3 bet the river...
07-03-2010 , 01:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by that_pope
Is everyone a level 1 thinker, or am I just giving too much credit to a 2/4 player who 3 bet out of the BB, 3 bet the flop, and 3 bet the river...
Yes you are def giving way to much credit.
07-03-2010 , 01:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pokerjunky
[x] Hero has the virtual nuts

[x] Hero only loses to exactly one hand combination

[x] Hero should raise turn

And I would do anything for love, but I won't just call that.
+1

Quote:
Originally Posted by MitchL
Yes you are def giving way to much credit.
+1
07-03-2010 , 01:28 AM
BTW you only need 51% equity to cap since you can't be 5 bet.
Even if you narrow his range to AA and QQ only its still a cap since there's only one combo of AA and 3 combos of QQ.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

12 games 0.005 secs 2,400 games/sec

Board: Qs Kc 3c As Kd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 83.333% 75.00% 08.33% 9 1.00 { AhKs }
Hand 1: 16.667% 08.33% 08.33% 1 1.00 { AA, QQ, 33, AKs, KQs, AKo, KQo }



Here's a slightly more conservative stove:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

7 games 0.001 secs 7,000 games/sec

Board: Qs Kc 3c As Kd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 71.429% 57.14% 14.29% 4 1.00 { AhKs }
Hand 1: 28.571% 14.29% 14.29% 1 1.00 { AA, QQ, AKs, KQs, AKo }

Last edited by Black Hat; 07-03-2010 at 01:36 AM.
07-03-2010 , 01:30 AM
and a less conservative stove would include things like JT, K7, etc . . .


odds that he's a maniac >>>>>>>>> odds that he has AA
07-03-2010 , 02:09 AM
This kind of illustrates the difference between you and me. I post threads about the merits of 3 street call downs with the 5th nut king high. You post threads about the merits of capping second boat

Seriously I don't understand more action.
07-03-2010 , 02:42 AM
Fold please.
07-03-2010 , 03:25 AM
you should go at least 6 bets before you even start thinking of calling
07-03-2010 , 03:39 AM
My thought is I would definitely cap preflop since most players' 3-bet range is well below AK and you have position. I like the flop play as I feel we are only losing one small bet of value against the hands we're ahead of, saving one against the hands we're behind and inducing some river barrels when his draw doesn't come through that otherwise would fold if we had the lead. I would, however, raise the turn. We are now ahead of KQ and we have a number of other hands drawing dead that had outs before. There just seems like too much value to pass up. We also have a few outs against the few hands that are ahead of us. Unimproved, I would have just called on the turn. River I can't ever not cap. I don't see why AA is any more likely than QQ. 33, TJ, KQ, and even a lower king could be in there also.
07-03-2010 , 03:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
you should go at least 6 bets before you even start thinking of calling
when i was at the borgota in AC, i was playing my first 2-4 game, and a similar hand game up like this. It was 7 handed and i raised in EP w/ K10o. The board was KK 10, 4 Q. It was Heads up, and my opponent just passively called two streets w/ trips, and then we had a raise fest on the river. The dealer explained to me that when its heads up there is no cap. I thought my opponent had AJ, so being the smart poker player i am (just learned how to play not even two weeks before the trip), i raised it like 10 times before almost all of our stacks were in. I had around 34 dollars left before i announced that i'd be merciful by just calling and saving him money. He flipped overs his cards and then:

Spoiler:
he showed me his nuts...K mfing Q, and i scooped up the pot prematurely thinking i won and looked like such an deh-da-duh


/unrelated pointless story
07-03-2010 , 05:20 AM
On the river, our hand looks like K5 to villain so he is going to hit back with KQ/QQ. As has already been pointed out, QQ alone is enough to justify a cap. Since he's an unknown who could be spewing, I agree with zomg that this is a 6-bet. Also, thank you for getting crappy 90s songs stuck in my head yet again. That video more than made up for the bad song though.

Distajo, I enjoyed that story because that is exactly how I played when I was newish. Afterwards, I would remind myself that I was an excellent player who simply took a bad beat without thinking twice.
07-03-2010 , 10:16 AM
Ok, I guess I am giving way too much credit to an unknown 2/4 player taking that super strong line. If it was someone I have played before and had a note on that said "Will 3 bet AJ/99 out of BB" or something like that, clearly my line changes.

Results:
Spoiler:
I tanked, thought that this seemed super strong, forgot my rule of capping with a strong hand when they can't make it anymore bets, and only called. Actually saved us each $0.50 as he had AK also
07-03-2010 , 10:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by that_pope
Is everyone a level 1 thinker, or am I just giving too much credit to a 2/4 player who 3 bet out of the BB, 3 bet the flop, and 3 bet the river...
This guy could easily have KQ.
07-03-2010 , 04:36 PM
raise the turn, cap the river
07-07-2010 , 04:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHip41
raise the turn, cap the river
+1 to hip

-1 to the thread title
07-07-2010 , 07:07 PM
I would 6b/call.

      
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